Protests - the next level?

[srothstein]

Kenosha Police association releases vital details on Jacob Blake shooting.

“Here are the actual and undisputed facts:

I will not dispute these statements since I was not there. From the videos and pictures I have seen, I do believe these are the actual facts of the situation.

But I want to point out that the statement that these are the "actual and undisputed" facts is not necessarily true. These are the statements from one side of the issue. If they were truly undisputed, Blake would already have plead guilty. I don't like when the media lies, so I have to call out the improper wording of the police association. As an additional point, I would also say that if these were the undisputed facts that the investigators believe, we would see a statement from the police department, not just the police association.

[03Lightningrocks]

Kenosha Police association releases vital details on Jacob Blake shooting.

“Here are the actual and undisputed facts:

I will not dispute these statements since I was not there. From the videos and pictures I have seen, I do believe these are the actual facts of the situation.

But I want to point out that the statement that these are the "actual and undisputed" facts is not necessarily true. These are the statements from one side of the issue. If they were truly undisputed, Blake would already have plead guilty. I don't like when the media lies, so I have to call out the improper wording of the police association. As an additional point, I would also say that if these were the undisputed facts that the investigators believe, we would see a statement from the police department, not just the police association.

IMHO, it does not matter if the thug had a weapon or not. He resisted arrest. He got himself shot for resisting arrest. Them is the breaks. Nobody, that I am aware of in recent history, has been shot by police after complying with lawful orders. Maybe I have it all wrong but I thought how it works is if the officer decides to arrest you, the discussion is over. Time to allow the courts to determine your innocence or guilt. The common denominator in every one of these police killings is the dead person decided they were not going to be arrested. If their mammies really are telling them to fear the police, maybe they should tell them not to fight the police.

[BigGuy]

^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

[Boxerrider]

IMHO, it does not matter if the thug had a weapon or not. He resisted arrest. He got himself shot for resisting arrest. Them is the breaks. Nobody, that I am aware of in recent history, has been shot by police after complying with lawful orders. Maybe I have it all wrong but I thought how it works is if the officer decides to arrest you, the discussion is over. Time to allow the courts to determine your innocence or guilt. The common denominator in every one of these police killings is the dead person decided they were not going to be arrested. If their mammies really are telling them to fear the police, maybe they should tell them not to fight the police.

In the street events we've seen I completely agree. Even if you have multiple felony convictions, multiple felony warrants, and happen to be intoxicated and armed at the time - people who comply with the police don't end up shot. There is a lot of evidence showing that, with a variety of races in all roles.

If there are police events that need attention and correction they are probably the ones that happen in the home. We have seen people of varying races killed in no-knock warrant cases issued on weak evidence. So Biden's idea is to defund the local police and reorganize a force under federal guidelines and control, with leadership that is farther away and more deeply shrouded in bureaucracy? Exactly how can anyone expect that to make things better?

[chasfm11]

So Biden's idea is to defund the local police and reorganize a force under federal guidelines and control, with leadership that is farther away and more deeply shrouded in bureaucracy? Exactly how can anyone expect that to make things better?

That hasn't been his history. I don't believe that HE has an idea and, like the rest of his party, he is following first whatever they collectively think will get him elected and afterward whatever they think will keep them in power. They have completely abandoned any idea of actually helping the people that they are supposed to represent. Let's review the overall approach
1. Turn over parts of the population to mob rule. The gangs are the political power and they are at constant war with each other.
2. Stop prosecuting many crimes. Dallas has the $75 limit for property crimes but others are worse - they don't bother with any of them
3. Release prisoners that are already convicted in large numbers.

The police are just a portion of this. It is clear that the intent is to create an environment where people are scared and will cede any amount of power that the Democrats want in order to try to regain a feeling of safety. I think it may backfire on them. Guliani was elected in NYC because of a backlash as was Richard Nixon. We are paying today for the excesses that Nixon put into policing policy.

[PUCKER]

More chaos in Portland, including a fatality...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ident.html

[BigGuy]

From the Article:
"The Portland protest was one of many that Donald Trump's supporters staged across the country on Saturday."
Really, Trump Supporters staged the protest?
[sarcasm]Sounds like a real objective report.[/sarcasm]

And the DM consistently refers to "Patriots for Prayer" as a "Far Right" group. They're not even capable of recognizing their own bias anymore. A phrase like "far right" has no place in a "news" article. That is up to the reader to decide.

[philip964]

https://apnews.com/6706c916dc6a156b9847baca437a91de

Trump supporter shot dead in Portland by BLM.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-sho ... s-with-blm

Fox news.

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/12 ... 7673538560

Trump supporters were in a 600 car truck caravan that drove through downtown Portland last night.

[Boxerrider]

So Biden's idea is to defund the local police and reorganize a force under federal guidelines and control, with leadership that is farther away and more deeply shrouded in bureaucracy? Exactly how can anyone expect that to make things better?

That hasn't been his history. I don't believe that HE has an idea and, like the rest of his party, he is following first whatever they collectively think will get him elected and afterward whatever they think will keep them in power. They have completely abandoned any idea of actually helping the people that they are supposed to represent. Let's review the overall approach
1. Turn over parts of the population to mob rule. The gangs are the political power and they are at constant war with each other.
2. Stop prosecuting many crimes. Dallas has the $75 limit for property crimes but others are worse - they don't bother with any of them
3. Release prisoners that are already convicted in large numbers.

The police are just a portion of this. It is clear that the intent is to create an environment where people are scared and will cede any amount of power that the Democrats want in order to try to regain a feeling of safety. I think it may backfire on them. Guliani was elected in NYC because of a backlash as was Richard Nixon. We are paying today for the excesses that Nixon put into policing policy.

I said, "Biden's idea," because he has been supporting federal guidelines for policing, although I believe you are correct. Biden is not an idea haver - he wants money and power for himself and plays along with the cabal to get it.
I agree with your analysis; the people behind this, really behind this, want to break down our system of government and plan to seize complete power themselves when it happens. That's why it is important to call them what they are, which is not socialist, or even communist, but fascist.
I also agree with your conclusion – I don’t think they are going to get what they want. More and more people are seeing through the media bias and political hypocrisy. Local police and governments are refusing to bow down to the legislative edicts of metropolitan officials. There are a great many of us who believe that the answer is not to abolish the Constitution but to return to it.

[Paladin]

Sen. Rand Paul: My wife and I were attacked by a mob — Dems would worsen problem by bowing to rioters

RAND PAUL CALLS FOR FBI ARRESTS, INVESTIGATION INTO 'MOB' HE BELIEVES 'WOULD HAVE KILLED US,' IF NOT FOR POLICE

His statement:

They say you know you’re over the target if you’re taking fire. Well, I’ve had more than my share in the last few years.

I was shot at by a lunatic Bernie Sanders supporter...

I was assaulted, had six broken ribs, and lost part of my lung...again by a violent leftist...

And now the same mobs that are burning city blocks, looting businesses, and killing people around the country attacked my wife and me.

I’m not going to let them intimidate me. I’m not going to let them win.

I hope you’ll stand with me today and say the same thing.

It’s funny because it’s not even about ideology for these mobs. Want to know how I’m sure? Among their obscenities and threats, they also screamed “Say Her Name” at me, a reference to the tragic killing of Breonna Taylor in Kentucky.

I’ve said her name as loudly and often as anyone. In fact, after meeting with her family, I authored the “Justice For Breonna Taylor” Act, ending the no-knock warrants that caused her death.

I am THE SPONSOR of the thing they wanted done. But of course, that didn’t matter.

It’s not what the current anarchy and violence are about. Legitimate protest has turned into indiscriminate mob violence, and that’s both sad and enraging.

I hope it all comes to an end soon, and local leaders will come to their senses.

But no matter what, I’ll keep fighting. I’ll keep fighting for justice. I’ll keep fighting for the bill of Rights.

I’ll keep fighting for you.

Please stand with me today

Rand is a physician and has been repeatedly targeted by extremists. God bless him and has family!

[anygunanywhere]

Kenosha Police association releases vital details on Jacob Blake shooting.

“Here are the actual and undisputed facts:

I will not dispute these statements since I was not there. From the videos and pictures I have seen, I do believe these are the actual facts of the situation.

But I want to point out that the statement that these are the "actual and undisputed" facts is not necessarily true. These are the statements from one side of the issue. If they were truly undisputed, Blake would already have plead guilty. I don't like when the media lies, so I have to call out the improper wording of the police association. As an additional point, I would also say that if these were the undisputed facts that the investigators believe, we would see a statement from the police department, not just the police association.

IMHO, it does not matter if the thug had a weapon or not. He resisted arrest. He got himself shot for resisting arrest. Them is the breaks. Nobody, that I am aware of in recent history, has been shot by police after complying with lawful orders. Maybe I have it all wrong but I thought how it works is if the officer decides to arrest you, the discussion is over. Time to allow the courts to determine your innocence or guilt. The common denominator in every one of these police killings is the dead person decided they were not going to be arrested. If their mammies really are telling them to fear the police, maybe they should tell them not to fight the police.

Google Daniel Shaver

[srothstein]

IMHO, it does not matter if the thug had a weapon or not. He resisted arrest. He got himself shot for resisting arrest.

As a retired police officer, I must strongly disagree with this. The law does not allow the police to shoot people for just resisting arrest. There is a certain amount of force allowed to be used to effect an arrest. The police may escalate the force needed if the suspect actively resists. The police may not shoot until there is a threat of deadly force against them or unless there is probable cause to believe that the person poses a greater threat to society if he escapes than the threat to society of violating his rights.

I firmly believe we must hold the police to the law. If we allow the police to violate the law indiscriminately, we lose all hope of maintaining a free society.

I agree that the people who are being pointed out as the cause of most of these riots all resisted arrest. Almost all of these deaths were legally justified. But not all of these deaths were justified. In recent months, we have the case of Breonna Taylor being shot without resisting arrest and unjustifiably (IMO and from what the media has reported). Further back, we have cases such as the "drug sellers" in Houston. We have cases such as Shaver being shot five times while crawling towards the police as ordered.

The media is not reporting this and is the primary cause of the riots, IMO. We need to be aware of the cause of the riots, what the movement is attempting to do, and who is supporting it. While we fight this revolution, we also need to not let our guard slip and allow the police to commit murder or we all lose.

[Flightmare]

IMHO, it does not matter if the thug had a weapon or not. He resisted arrest. He got himself shot for resisting arrest.

As a retired police officer, I must strongly disagree with this. The law does not allow the police to shoot people for just resisting arrest. There is a certain amount of force allowed to be used to effect an arrest. The police may escalate the force needed if the suspect actively resists. The police may not shoot until there is a threat of deadly force against them or unless there is probable cause to believe that the person poses a greater threat to society if he escapes than the threat to society of violating his rights.

I firmly believe we must hold the police to the law. If we allow the police to violate the law indiscriminately, we lose all hope of maintaining a free society.

I agree that the people who are being pointed out as the cause of most of these riots all resisted arrest. Almost all of these deaths were legally justified. But not all of these deaths were justified. In recent months, we have the case of Breonna Taylor being shot without resisting arrest and unjustifiably (IMO and from what the media has reported). Further back, we have cases such as the "drug sellers" in Houston. We have cases such as Shaver being shot five times while crawling towards the police as ordered.

The media is not reporting this and is the primary cause of the riots, IMO. We need to be aware of the cause of the riots, what the movement is attempting to do, and who is supporting it. While we fight this revolution, we also need to not let our guard slip and allow the police to commit murder or we all lose.

Thankyou for your thoughts on this.

[philip964]

https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/30/co ... so-i-will/

What it is really like in Kenosha.

[03Lightningrocks]

IMHO, it does not matter if the thug had a weapon or not. He resisted arrest. He got himself shot for resisting arrest. Them is the breaks. Nobody, that I am aware of in recent history, has been shot by police after complying with lawful orders. Maybe I have it all wrong but I thought how it works is if the officer decides to arrest you, the discussion is over. Time to allow the courts to determine your innocence or guilt. The common denominator in every one of these police killings is the dead person decided they were not going to be arrested. If their mammies really are telling them to fear the police, maybe they should tell them not to fight the police..

As a retired police officer, I must strongly disagree with this. The law does not allow the police to shoot people for just resisting arrest. There is a certain amount of force allowed to be used to effect an arrest. The police may escalate the force needed if the suspect actively resists. The police may not shoot until there is a threat of deadly force against them or unless there is probable cause to believe that the person poses a greater threat to society if he escapes than the threat to society of violating his rights.

I firmly believe we must hold the police to the law. If we allow the police to violate the law indiscriminately, we lose all hope of maintaining a free society.

I agree that the people who are being pointed out as the cause of most of these riots all resisted arrest. Almost all of these deaths were legally justified. But not all of these deaths were justified. In recent months, we have the case of Breonna Taylor being shot without resisting arrest and unjustifiably (IMO and from what the media has reported). Further back, we have cases such as the "drug sellers" in Houston. We have cases such as Shaver being shot five times while crawling towards the police as ordered.

The media is not reporting this and is the primary cause of the riots, IMO. We need to be aware of the cause of the riots, what the movement is attempting to do, and who is supporting it. While we fight this revolution, we also need to not let our guard slip and allow the police to commit murder or we all lose.

While I agree the Police should not shoot someone for simply resisting arrest, I never said we should allow the police to violate any law. What I said was if you resist arrest, you greatly increase your chances of being shot. Don't resist arrest, don't get shot. Real simple. By the way, this guy had a knife. I hope you don't believe the police should respond in kind and attempt to fight off said knife attack with their own knives.

In the cases you sighted of innocent citizens being shot, they were not resisting arrest. They were mistakenly under the impression they were under assault due to "no Knock" warrants. They did not even know it was the police when they opened fire. It is a completely different topic than resisting arrest.