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I will be in TN for a week and haven't been able to find the answer... do they require a specific sign in TN like our 30.06, or does any no gun sign work there (as one fellow told me).
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(3)(A) If a sign is used as the method of posting, it shall contain language substantially similar to the following:

AS AUTHORIZED BY TCA § 39-17-1359, POSSESSION OF A WEAPON ON POSTED PROPERTY OR IN A POSTED BUILDING IS PROHIBITED AND IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE.
(B) As used in this section, "language substantially similar to" means the sign contains language plainly stating that:
(i) The property is posted under authority of Tennessee law;

(ii) Weapons or firearms are prohibited on the property, in the building, or on the portion of the property or building that is posted; and

(iii) Possessing a weapon in an area that has been posted is a criminal offense.
(C) A building, property or a portion of a building or property, shall be considered properly posted in accordance with this section if one (1) or both of the following is displayed in prominent locations, including all entrances primarily used by persons entering the property, building, or portion of the property or building where weapon possession is prohibited:
(i) The international circle and slash symbolizing the prohibition of the item within the circle; or

(ii) The posting sign described in this subdivision (3).
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Since it says "substabtially" then I take it any no gun sign suffices?
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Did you miss this part?
(C) A building, property or a portion of a building or property, shall be considered properly posted in accordance with this section if one (1) or both of the following is displayed in prominent locations, including all entrances primarily used by persons entering the property, building, or portion of the property or building where weapon possession is prohibited:
(i) The international circle and slash symbolizing the prohibition of the item within the circle; or

(ii) The posting sign described in this subdivision (3).
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i8godzilla wrote:Did you miss this part?
(C) A building, property or a portion of a building or property, shall be considered properly posted in accordance with this section if one (1) or both of the following is displayed in prominent locations, including all entrances primarily used by persons entering the property, building, or portion of the property or building where weapon possession is prohibited:
(i) The international circle and slash symbolizing the prohibition of the item within the circle; or

(ii) The posting sign described in this subdivision (3).

Thanks! Seems to allow some wriggle room when they say "substantially"... TN only recently has gotten castle doctrine and restaurant carry, so don't know how well educated the local LEO's might be....or not.
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Just an example for you from a restaurant entrance in Memphis. We drive through there last month.

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You may see a lot of the restaurant signs like this. Tennessee used to prohibit carry in any restaurant that sold even one drop of alcohol. Legislation was introduced in 2009 to allow concealed carry in <51% restaurants and bars. The legislation passed, but the governor vetoed that bill, and the legislature later overrode his veto. Then a short time later a judge threw out the law, saying it was constitutionally too vague. Last year they finally got a new version passed that was signed by the new Governor.

When the legislation was initially introduced, there was one restaurant owner in Memphis that started a major campaign to properly post restaurants. Apparently he was very successful with his 'blood in the streets' rhetoric and I understand signage like the one above is fairly commonplace.
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Keith B wrote:You may see a lot of the restaurant signs like this. Tennessee used to prohibit carry in any restaurant that sold even one drop of alcohol. Legislation was introduced in 2009 to allow concealed carry in <51% restaurants and bars. The legislation passed, but the governor vetoed that bill, and the legislature later overrode his veto. Then a short time later a judge threw out the law, saying it was constitutionally too vague. Last year they finally got a new version passed that was signed by the new Governor.

When the legislation was initially introduced, there was one restaurant owner in Memphis that started a major campaign to properly post restaurants. Apparently he was very successful with his 'blood in the streets' rhetoric and I understand signage like the one above is fairly commonplace.
Yes and 2 of them I ate at had ARMED security in the parking lot to protect patrons from restaurant to their cars.... :banghead:

If it is posted I just move along....
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txbirddog wrote:
Keith B wrote:You may see a lot of the restaurant signs like this. Tennessee used to prohibit carry in any restaurant that sold even one drop of alcohol. Legislation was introduced in 2009 to allow concealed carry in <51% restaurants and bars. The legislation passed, but the governor vetoed that bill, and the legislature later overrode his veto. Then a short time later a judge threw out the law, saying it was constitutionally too vague. Last year they finally got a new version passed that was signed by the new Governor.

When the legislation was initially introduced, there was one restaurant owner in Memphis that started a major campaign to properly post restaurants. Apparently he was very successful with his 'blood in the streets' rhetoric and I understand signage like the one above is fairly commonplace.
Yes and 2 of them I ate at had ARMED security in the parking lot to protect patrons from restaurant to their cars.... :banghead:

If it is posted I just move along....
Memphis ain't Tennessee!

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Am in Tennessee currently for the week. I met an NRA sales booth person here at Gander Mountain who is also a CHL instructor. He said that TN recognizes ALL "no gun" signs since the law is so loose by saying "substantially." Had NOT realized that TN is open carry. He said that this was the tradeoff when they passed the restaurant carry bill last year. Even if you have a CHL in TN, you still have to have a background check to purchase a gun. They tried to get that changed but failed. Makes you appreciate TX all the more.
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wgoforth wrote:Am in Tennessee currently for the week. I met an NRA sales booth person here at Gander Mountain who is also a CHL instructor. He said that TN recognizes ALL "no gun" signs since the law is so loose by saying "substantially." Had NOT realized that TN is open carry. He said that this was the tradeoff when they passed the restaurant carry bill last year. Even if you have a CHL in TN, you still have to have a background check to purchase a gun. They tried to get that changed but failed. Makes you appreciate TX all the more.
As I've said about 1837 times, we CH licensees in Texas are fortunate to have our unique 30.06 sign.
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The good news is, after being here 4 days, haven't seen a single sign...although I am told that all the businesses in Memphis slapped signs on after they allowed restaurant carry.
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Oldgringo wrote:
wgoforth wrote:Am in Tennessee currently for the week. I met an NRA sales booth person here at Gander Mountain who is also a CHL instructor. He said that TN recognizes ALL "no gun" signs since the law is so loose by saying "substantially." Had NOT realized that TN is open carry. He said that this was the tradeoff when they passed the restaurant carry bill last year. Even if you have a CHL in TN, you still have to have a background check to purchase a gun. They tried to get that changed but failed. Makes you appreciate TX all the more.
As I've said about 1837 times, we CH licensees in Texas are fortunate to have our unique 30.06 sign.
We really are, which is why we should take advantage of it and carry past any and every non-compliant sign.
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Still in TN... We have rented a furnished house for the week, much cheaper and roomier than a hotel. Problem is, it's on the edge of "the hood." Last night, visiting a church, I was standing talking with the local preacher after services and commented about the house's location. An elderly gent standing next to him said to the preacher "Maybe he needs a gun over there, probably ought to get him a gun, don't ya think? I think I'd get a gun..." Finally, I asked "Wanna borrow mine?" and quickly lifted and put back down my shirt over my holstered sig..... look on the faces? Priceless :coolgleamA:
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