How Many Rounds Is Enough

[carlson1]

That question was ask of me back in the mid 1980's when there was an FBI shootout with some heavily armed suspects.

This story reminds me of that story.

Why one cop carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job
Before the call that changed Sergeant Timothy Gramins’ life forever, he typically carried 47 rounds of handgun ammunition on his person while on duty

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[AEA]

As many as you can comfortably carry and have more in your car.

[jimlongley]

One less than you actually need.

Edited: Should have said "One MORE than you actually need."

[C-dub]

One is enough if you are good enough. I carry as many as a can conceal. Right now that is 37 rounds of .45ACP. When I had .40's it was 41 rounds.

[baldeagle]

Man, I do not want to be a cop! (It's too late for me anyway, but dang!)

[C-dub]

As many as you can comfortably carry and have more in your car.

Actually, I do have more in my truck.

[baldeagle]

One is enough if you are good enough. I carry as many as a can conceal. Right now that is 37 rounds of .45ACP. When I had .40's it was 41 rounds.

You obviously didn't read the story. This cop shot the bad guy 14 times - 6 times center mass - in the heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney. The guy didn't even slow down. (And no he wasn't on drugs). Even after the cop shot him three times in the head, including once through the brain, the guy didn't die. He just stopped shooting. He died later at the hospital once the doctors realized they couldn't transfuse him fast enough due to all the holes in him.

[AEA]

My thought has always been with multiple attackers. I thought about being injured and out of ammo. That is when I started carrying more in the vehicle. Thinking that if I could get to the vehicle I stay in the fight. Otherwise, no ammo, throw the pistols (but they would have probably have ammo and kill me with my own pistol)! LOL

[C-dub]

One is enough if you are good enough. I carry as many as a can conceal. Right now that is 37 rounds of .45ACP. When I had .40's it was 41 rounds.

You obviously didn't read the story. This cop shot the bad guy 14 times - 6 times center mass - in the heart, right lung, left lung, liver, diaphragm, and right kidney. The guy didn't even slow down. (And no he wasn't on drugs). Even after the cop shot him three times in the head, including once through the brain, the guy didn't die. He just stopped shooting. He died later at the hospital once the doctors realized they couldn't transfuse him fast enough due to all the holes in him.

You're right. Wow! How does one do that?

[dubya]

Wow!

[K.Mooneyham]

The human body is an incredible piece of work. I read a lot of WWII history, among other things, and so many soldiers and Marines got unimaginably horrible wounds, but somehow lived to tell the tale...OTOH, sometimes the tiniest piece of shrapnel as small as a pinky nail would kill a man. There are so many variables that one cannot count them all, unless they were all categorized. For whatever reason, that bad guy just didn't want to give up. From what I understand, blood loss, central nervous system damage, or shock are the only things that really shut a person down, and shock is always an iffy thing...even the other two take time. I was trained that you shoot to stop...not to kill and not to wound, but to stop. There is no set amount of rounds it takes to make a determined bad guy stop, as far as I'm concerned.

[carlson1]

I went and looked at the exact year of the FBI shootout because I couldn't remember. It was in 1986.

The suspects:
1. William Matix: S&W M3000 12-gauge shotgun, one round #6 shot fired. Killed after being
shot six times.
2. Michael Platt: Ruger Mini-14 .223 Remington carbine, at least 42 rounds fired, S&W M586 .357 Magnum revolver, three rounds fired, Dan Wesson .357 Magnum revolver, three rounds fired. Killed after being shot 12 times.

[MoJo]

That was an awesome example of why we never quit the fight until the BG is down and out. It also shows how tough a determined individual running on adrenaline can be and how pitifully inadequate a handgun, even a .45 ACP can be. In the same situation, having time to secure a long gun, I would have wanted the AR first or the 870 with slugs second.

[JALLEN]

Isn't this why it is said that a pistol is what you use to fight your way back to the rifle you should have had in the first place?

Remember some months ago I posted a video about surviving handgun wounds.

[baldeagle]

Isn't this why it is said that a pistol is what you use to fight your way back to the rifle you should have had in the first place?

Remember some months ago I posted a video about surviving handgun wounds.

I remember that thread. I think it was something like 78% of handgun wounds do not result in death. Mostly what handgun bullets do is make you leak blood. If you leak long enough you die.