Vandalism, looting in Missouri after Officer Shooting

[VMI77]

You do realize this has been edited by CNN and is not the Ferguson dispatcher, assuming there is one. But this is the St. Louis County dispatcher who may not have been involved up front in any case.

Did you watch it? There are plenty of other recordings out there some as long as two hours. The reason I used this one is because the guy being interviewed explains how the dispatch system works. The county monitors the local PD dispatchers. When the county got news of the shooting they contacted Ferguson and was told they didn't know anything about it. You can decide whatever it means for yourself.

[cb1000rider]

In case you have blood pressure problems, you probably shouldn't read it, that is, unless you find the shooting unjustified.

I have no opinion on justified or unjustified. I think that anyone who does have an opinion is probably doing it wrong, unless they have access to yet-to-be released factual information.

There are numerous towns that collect a lot of revenue from their PD... They wouldn't be the first to have more citations than citizens.

You'd think a PD that is THE source of revenue could afford in-car cameras.. And preferably on-body cameras. That just stinks of being a bit old school to me.

[Beiruty]

No one is talking about the patrol car dash video? Why CNN does not talk about it? Are they afraid that would reveal the truth that they do not like?

Also more info is now being revealed about Mr. Brown. (Ala Trayvon Martin)..
NWSF language and audio:
http://buzzpo.com/caution-graphic-post- ... s-murders/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Keith B]

No one is talking about the patrol car dash video? Why CNN does not talk about it? Are they afraid that would reveal the truth that they do not like?

Also more info is now being revealed about Mr. Brown. (Ala Trayvon Martin)..
NWSF language and audio:
http://buzzpo.com/caution-graphic-post- ... s-murders/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They do not have dashcams.

[Charles L. Cotton]

That's what I thought. You list "The Daily Beast" in response to my question about reliable evidence, then you give a link to a Newsweek article with the inflammatory title "Driving While Black in Ferguson" that contains nothing original. Rather, they quote another dubious source named "ArchCity Defenders."

These are exactly the type of posts that prompted the recent Rule 9 change. The only reason it and your first post weren't deleted is because someone else already responded.

Chas.

Brown was a towering hulk of a thug that had just robbed a store and assaulted the clerk. The video of the assault makes this absolutely clear. His buddy, the "witness," was his accomplice. How come Al and Jessie aren't in NJ protesting the treatment of the young black woman and single mother being persecuted for having a gun in her possession without a felony record?

Those facts aren't in dispute at all. However, apparently the officer didn't know any of that and they shouldn't be a factor in evaluation the shooting.

If this went down like advertised in page one, it should be a non-issue. Show the jury the camera footage that was in the car, evidence should show GSR in the vehicle and on the clothes of the person that was shot. Pretty simple.

However, if it didn't go down like that, there may very well be a problem. We don't know either way, because the PD isn't saying. Personally, I reserve judgement and have refrained from any local looting.

This is just another great example of how personal cameras can protect good police officers, promote the public trust, and generally straighten out bad behavior.

The most suspicious thing I've heard so far are the dispatch recordings. After shooting Brown the officer did not call it in. The dispatcher called Ferguson and asked about the shooting after hearing about it on the news. Even then the department told the dispatcher they didn't know anything about it. This is apparently a very crappy place to live. Last year the town issued 3 arrest warrants PER HOUSEHOLD and assessed fines that amount to $130 for every man woman and child. Meaning a household of four would have paid an average $520 a year in fines. They start trials 30 minutes ahead of the scheduled time and then fine the defendants for appearing late. 50% of the town's revenue is account for by traffic tickets, or about $2.6 million.

Also, they had a case there where they arrested the wrong guy and charged him destruction of property because they got his blood on their shirts when they were beating him up in jail. There is something seriously wrong in this town. So, yeah, I don't know what happened in this particular incident, but there is apparently a culture of corruption in the city and in the police department that raises big questions.

This is pretty damning. Do you have citations to reliable evidence? You are correct in that it has nothing to do with this shooting.

Chas.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... y-lie.html

“On and/or about the 20th day of Sept. 20, 2009 at or near 222 S. Florissant within the corporate limits of Ferguson, Missouri, the above named defendant did then and there unlawfully commit the offense of ‘property damage’ to wit did transfer blood to the uniform,” reads the charge sheet.

http://www.newsweek.com/ferguson-profil ... ?piano_d=1

“Despite Ferguson’s relative poverty, fines and court fees comprise the second largest source of revenue for the city, a total of 2,635,400,” according to the ArchCity Defenders report. And in 2013, the Ferguson Municipal Court issued 24,532 arrest warrants and 12,018 cases, “or about 3 warrants and 1.5 cases per household.”

Exacerbating the problem, the report says, are "a number of operational procedures that make it even more difficult for defendants to navigate the courts." A Ferguson court employee reported, for example, that “the bench routinely starts hearing cases 30 minutes before the appointed time and then locks the doors to the building as early as five minutes after the official hour, a practice that could easily lead a defendant arriving even slightly late to receive an additional charge for failure to appear.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfSQyVC81vk (dispatch recordings)

Of course, given that the sources are the MSM I'm not gonna claim anything is reliable.

Edited to add: This video of spectators right after the shooting seems to corroborate the officer's account. Bad language.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/1F-ba5KwP_A

This witness undermines the officer's account:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/1F-ba5KwP_A

[DocV]

.....
Rather, they quote another dubious source named "ArchCity Defenders."
.....

The ArchCity Defenders is a public defenders organization in the St Louis area. I am dubious of the appropriateness of the adjective 'dubious' when referring to their being a source.
Those interested can find their website via Google. Their report is linked on their site to a Dropbox URL:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vwptqn3mhq9xv ... epaper.pdf

Edit to add:
The nature of the Arch City defender's source is the only reason I posted. I agree that none of this has anything to do with the incident.

[knotquiteawake]

And now "sources" close to the investigation are saying "unequivocally the officer did not have an orbital blowout fracture."

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/08 ... areButtons" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Basically every day yesterday's rumored facts become today's falsehoods. Still going to have to wait for the real investigation to complete and be released.

[Charles L. Cotton]

.....
Rather, they quote another dubious source named "ArchCity Defenders."
.....

The ArchCity Defenders is a public defenders organization in the St Louis area. I am dubious of the appropriateness of the adjective 'dubious' when referring to their being a source.
Those interested can find their website via Google. Their report is linked on their site to a Dropbox URL:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vwptqn3mhq9xv ... epaper.pdf

Edit to add:
The nature of the Arch City defender's source is the only reason I posted. I agree that none of this has anything to do with the incident.

I realize ArchCity Defenders is a public defenders organization and that's why they are suspect. I wouldn't take their word for anything anymore than I'd accept statements from DA Rosemary Lemberg as being fact. Both have reasons to slant stories to fit their agenda.

Chas.

[baldeagle]

CNN released an audio recording of the Michael Brown shooting. It sounds like 1 shot, a pause, a string of five shots, a pause, 1 shot, another pause and 3 shots. If true, there should be four more bullets somewhere in Ferguson in the area of the shooting. Hopefully the investigators counted the remaining rounds, calculated how many he had shot and at least attempted to find all the bullets. I not sure what to make of this recording, but it's being used to claim that Officer Wilson had time to think before firing again. Considering his injuries (if confirmed), I think it's hard to say exactly what was going on without interviewing him (if he remembers.)

[Jim Beaux]

Someone explain why obama has sent 3 members of his administration to the funeral of a gangsta robber who assaulted a store clerk & a police officer while resisting arrest.

And you can bet we chumps paid for their travel expenses

His administration has ignored the funerals of James Foley, Margaret Thatcher & he nor biden attended the funeral of assassinated Gen. Harold Greene. Says much about his values, eh?

He and holder have betrayed not only the police officer in this case, but also the American people & the rule of law. obama and I share nothing in common. I am ashamed of his administration.

More White House officials at Michael Brown’s funeral than Thatcher’s

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08 ... thatchers/

[Cedar Park Dad]

Someone explain why obama has sent 3 members of his administration to the funeral of a gangsta robber who assaulted a store clerk & a police officer while resisting arrest.

And you can bet we chumps paid for their travel expenses

His administration has ignored the funerals of James Foley, Margaret Thatcher & he nor biden attended the funeral of assassinated Gen. Harold Greene. Says much about his values, eh?

He and holder have betrayed not only the police officer in this case, but also the American people & the rule of law. obama and I share nothing in common. I am ashamed of his administration.

More White House officials at Michael Brown’s funeral than Thatcher’s

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08 ... thatchers/

Unless of course, it was a bad shoot.

[Excaliber]

Someone explain why obama has sent 3 members of his administration to the funeral of a gangsta robber who assaulted a store clerk & a police officer while resisting arrest.

And you can bet we chumps paid for their travel expenses

His administration has ignored the funerals of James Foley, Margaret Thatcher & he nor biden attended the funeral of assassinated Gen. Harold Greene. Says much about his values, eh?

He and holder have betrayed not only the police officer in this case, but also the American people & the rule of law. obama and I share nothing in common. I am ashamed of his administration.

More White House officials at Michael Brown’s funeral than Thatcher’s

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08 ... thatchers/

Unless of course, it was a bad shoot.

Whether the Ferguson shoot was justified or not, how would that affect your view of his failure to send a representative to a U.S. general who died from an enemy attack in a combat zone?

[Cedar Park Dad]

They weren't having riots because of him?

To be clear I'm not defending Obama. I'm just noting this could very well have been a bad shoot. Its become the focal point for issues in the area, and all politics is local.

[mamabearCali]

So he rewards the rioters?

Sorry that does not make sense in the least. When my children throw a temper tantrum and lay on the floor, stomp thier feet and scream I don't give them what they want. At minimum I walk away and ignore the tantruming child.

But then I am a decent sort of parent that has a care for my children's well being. I am not out to milk them for votes.

Justified shot or not, the riots and the looting should have precluded any sort of positive response of the White House.

[Cedar Park Dad]

So he rewards the rioters?

You're ignoring the legal marches and protests that have been occurring. Whether you like it or not, police interaction with minorities-and the public in general- is an issue.

Setting aside minority treatment, with many threads its an issue here. Militarization, knock and kick arrests, etc. etc. Indeed.

Just don't get me started on Holder wandering around.