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That's it. Most likely dead

Maybe Phillips should go ahead with the motion-to-concur, let them vote, and if the motion fails, we'll have the list of members who voted "no", which should expose those who are under the "hook" of the LE lobby, and it bounces to a conference. If the motion passes, we've got a new LOC law.

What am I missing, doesn't a police officer have to have probable cause to ID someone anyway? This amendment doesn't seem to change how things will be handled by the police departments anyway.

thatguy wrote:What am I missing, doesn't a police officer have to have probable cause to ID someone anyway? This amendment doesn't seem to change how things will be handled by the police departments anyway.

That's correct.

thatguy wrote:What am I missing, doesn't a police officer have to have probable cause to ID someone anyway? This amendment doesn't seem to change how things will be handled by the police departments anyway.

Even with this amendment, an officer can easily find some articulable PC for a stop, or may initiate a consensual stop without PC. The amendment is totally unnecessary. I wouldn't mind it being in there if it didn't endanger the bill.

Agreed but it's on there now and if goes back to committee where sunk.

Dutton's support of the motion to concur might bring along some Democratic "yes" votes and possibly offset the Republican (RINOs) "no" votes ?

I like Rep. Dutton's passion, and don't disagree with his message.

The motion-to-concur "Naysayers" aren't giving the LEOs much credit. Most of the LEOs realize that someone they see open carrying in a legal manner is not a bad guy. LEOs know that majority of bad guys don't show their guns in public.

K5GU wrote:Dutton's support of the motion to concur might bring along some Democratic "yes" votes and possibly offset the Republican (RINOs) "no" votes ?

I certainly hope so because it is clear that a lot of people who voted for HB910 with the Dutton amendment are not going to vote to concur. Dutton's appeal to Democrats and the knowledge that voting no will likely kill this bill may carry the day.

Chas.

I may not agree with Mr. Dutton's politics but I have to respect his representation of his district.

Don't like the race card but that was a pretty powerful argument.

I find it interesting that some of the members now speaking against the motion because of the amendment have flipped. Look at the list on http://www.journals.house.state.tx.us/h ... DF#page=32" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
how they voted on the original "Dutton" amendment.

motion to concur fails. so it goes to conference.

Dammit.