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mojo84 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:28 am The video makes it pretty obvious what happened.

LTUME1978 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:30 pm

mojo84 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:28 am The video makes it pretty obvious what happened.

Yes, it sure does. Older gentleman gets forcefully shoved to the pavement by the boyfriend of the lady that parked illegally in a handicapped spot. Older gentleman did nothing wrong. If fact, we need more people to step up and speak out when the "privileged folks" break the law or those "privileged folks" will continue their behavior and escalate from there.

I am amazed at the people that are defending the behavior of the boyfriend. Go back and watch the video again. Look at the guy that came out of the store after the boyfriend and how fast and how far he went once he saw the gun coming out. If the boyfriend was truly afraid, he should have been back tracking just as fast. The fact that he did not move much while starring down the wrong end of a gun would lead a reasonable person think that he was not afraid for his safety and may very well intend to attack again.

Ecclesiastes 8:11 When the sentence for a crime is not quickly carried out, people’s hearts are filled with schemes to do wrong.

LTUME1978 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:30 pm If fact, we need more people to step up and speak out when the "privileged folks" break the law or those "privileged folks" will continue their behavior and escalate from there.

LTUME1978 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:30 pm

mojo84 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:28 am The video makes it pretty obvious what happened.

Yes, it sure does. Older gentleman gets forcefully shoved to the pavement by the boyfriend of the lady that parked illegally in a handicapped spot. Older gentleman did nothing wrong. If fact, we need more people to step up and speak out when the "privileged folks" break the law or those "privileged folks" will continue their behavior and escalate from there.

I am amazed at the people that are defending the behavior of the boyfriend. Go back and watch the video again. Look at the guy that came out of the store after the boyfriend and how fast and how far he went once he saw the gun coming out. If the boyfriend was truly afraid, he should have been back tracking just as fast. The fact that he did not move much while starring down the wrong end of a gun would lead a reasonable person think that he was not afraid for his safety and may very well intend to attack again.

Ecclesiastes 8:11 When the sentence for a crime is not quickly carried out, people’s hearts are filled with schemes to do wrong.

Soccerdad1995 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:12 pm

LTUME1978 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:30 pm

mojo84 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:28 am The video makes it pretty obvious what happened.

Yes, it sure does. Older gentleman gets forcefully shoved to the pavement by the boyfriend of the lady that parked illegally in a handicapped spot. Older gentleman did nothing wrong. If fact, we need more people to step up and speak out when the "privileged folks" break the law or those "privileged folks" will continue their behavior and escalate from there.

I am amazed at the people that are defending the behavior of the boyfriend. Go back and watch the video again. Look at the guy that came out of the store after the boyfriend and how fast and how far he went once he saw the gun coming out. If the boyfriend was truly afraid, he should have been back tracking just as fast. The fact that he did not move much while starring down the wrong end of a gun would lead a reasonable person think that he was not afraid for his safety and may very well intend to attack again.

Ecclesiastes 8:11 When the sentence for a crime is not quickly carried out, people’s hearts are filled with schemes to do wrong.

I have to disagree with you on one point. The older gentleman definitely did something wrong, IMHO. I believe that a non-LEO should not initiate an altercation when they witness a traffic infraction that does not directly impact them. This is especially true when armed.

I also have not seen a single post in this 8 page thread saying that the boyfriend did nothing wrong. If there are such posts (that I missed) then I disagree with those posters. The boyfriend escalated the confrontation that had been initiated by the shooter, in a big way, by turning it physical. It may be understandable for him to instinctively come to the defense of his girlfriend and children, but a verbal response would have been better, IMHO. Something like communicating to the shooter that he needs to move away from the vehicle immediately (actual wording would violate forum policies in a big way).

But here's the key point, to me. As a LTC holder, when I choose to be armed, I believe that I have an increased responsibility to be a good citizen. This includes avoiding confrontations over traffic or parking infractions. Just this morning on my drive to work, I witnessed approximately 50 drivers who were speeding. I didn't initiate a confrontation with any of them, nor with the folks who failed to signal when making lane changes or who were following too closely. An untold number of tough use of force calls were avoided just because I decided not to play batman and initiate a confrontation when I saw someone breaking a law. The shooter in this case did the exact opposite.

Soccerdad1995 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:12 pm

LTUME1978 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:30 pm

mojo84 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 9:28 am The video makes it pretty obvious what happened.

Yes, it sure does. Older gentleman gets forcefully shoved to the pavement by the boyfriend of the lady that parked illegally in a handicapped spot. Older gentleman did nothing wrong. If fact, we need more people to step up and speak out when the "privileged folks" break the law or those "privileged folks" will continue their behavior and escalate from there.

I am amazed at the people that are defending the behavior of the boyfriend. Go back and watch the video again. Look at the guy that came out of the store after the boyfriend and how fast and how far he went once he saw the gun coming out. If the boyfriend was truly afraid, he should have been back tracking just as fast. The fact that he did not move much while starring down the wrong end of a gun would lead a reasonable person think that he was not afraid for his safety and may very well intend to attack again.

Ecclesiastes 8:11 When the sentence for a crime is not quickly carried out, people’s hearts are filled with schemes to do wrong.

I have to disagree with you on one point. The older gentleman definitely did something wrong, IMHO. I believe that a non-LEO should not initiate an altercation when they witness a traffic infraction that does not directly impact them. This is especially true when armed.

I also have not seen a single post in this 8 page thread saying that the boyfriend did nothing wrong. If there are such posts (that I missed) then I disagree with those posters. The boyfriend escalated the confrontation that had been initiated by the shooter, in a big way, by turning it physical. It may be understandable for him to instinctively come to the defense of his girlfriend and children, but a verbal response would have been better, IMHO. Something like communicating to the shooter that he needs to move away from the vehicle immediately (actual wording would violate forum policies in a big way).

But here's the key point, to me. As a LTC holder, when I choose to be armed, I believe that I have an increased responsibility to be a good citizen. This includes avoiding confrontations over traffic or parking infractions. Just this morning on my drive to work, I witnessed approximately 50 drivers who were speeding. I didn't initiate a confrontation with any of them, nor with the folks who failed to signal when making lane changes or who were following too closely. An untold number of tough use of force calls were avoided just because I decided not to play batman and initiate a confrontation when I saw someone breaking a law. The shooter in this case did the exact opposite.

LTUME1978 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:40 pm I think you are taking this completely out of context. Asking someone to move out of a handicapped parking spot is not playing "police". I see it as being thoughtful of someone who may need that spot.

mojo84 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:58 pm This thread prompted me to do some research. It turned out to be quite entertaining to search on YouTube for "illegal handicap parking" and watch some of the videos.

Be aware, you'll hear some words that may hurt your sensitive ears. That's why I didn't post a link. I'm a little surprised there aren't more instances of things getting out of hand.

bblhd672 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:26 pm

mojo84 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 6:58 pm This thread prompted me to do some research. It turned out to be quite entertaining to search on YouTube for "illegal handicap parking" and watch some of the videos.

Be aware, you'll hear some words that may hurt your sensitive ears. That's why I didn't post a link. I'm a little surprised there aren't more instances of things getting out of hand.

Hmmm...a volunteer handicapped parking monitor program in Harris County, TX.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WruEvWwFw3c

oljames3 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:25 pm I'm curious. When I am driving my wife's car and park in a privileged parking spot, I don't hang a placard from the mirror as I am not required to do so. My question is; how many of y'all recognize this example license plate as authorization to park in privileged parking?

bblhd672 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:58 pm

oljames3 wrote: Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:25 pm I'm curious. When I am driving my wife's car and park in a privileged parking spot, I don't hang a placard from the mirror as I am not required to do so. My question is; how many of y'all recognize this example license plate as authorization to park in privileged parking?

I recognize it.