
I stated my list earlier on what is important to me.
Campus Carry
Parking lot
...and way down the list, OC.
I am a TSRA member and this is my single vote.

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Yep - same here. And I still don't like the idea of open carry for the same reason stated on Mr. Cotton's first post in this thread.Charles L. Cotton wrote:...all of the obnoxious, insulting, condescending and juvenile attacks on the TSRA, NRA and me personally won't get me into the fight for open-carry. I suspect most rational pro-gun people feel the same way.
Chas.
Who did this?Charles L. Cotton wrote:But until then, all of the obnoxious, insulting, condescending and juvenile attacks on the TSRA, NRA and me personally won't get me into the fight for open-carry.
There were a lot of Open Carry proponents last session that were VERY nasty and bullying in their talking about the TSRA, and even Charles personally, for not taking up with them and championing open carry legislation.Bullwhip wrote:Who did this?Charles L. Cotton wrote:But until then, all of the obnoxious, insulting, condescending and juvenile attacks on the TSRA, NRA and me personally won't get me into the fight for open-carry.
I am with TAM here. Though I believe that licensing law abiding citizens to carry is an infringement; I am pragmatic. Our rights have been eroded and the legislature and citizenry have a certain conditioning that are part and parcel that must be overcome; but not by shock and awe. We have a REAL chance to pass campus carry and the parking lot bill. Let's boil that frog, gain ground, and quit being belligerent.The Annoyed Man wrote:You're out of line, calling more rational heads "afraid." We're not afraid. We're just political realists. And by the way, we are political realists who share long term goals with OC militants, but who also understand that this is a process, and that other humans whose passions may not equal your own are involved, and they have to be persuaded rather than browbeaten if we want them to react favorably to the pro gun rights proposals. That is just the boots on the ground reality of the thing, and OCDO's refusal to understand and accept that reality is the political equivalent of stamping their little feet and threatening to have a tantrum if they don't get their way.... ...and everyone else can go to hades.jsimmons wrote:Wow - I'm famous. :)
I want constitutional carry. Period. <SNIP>
And you think that will turn legislators who have doubts or are undecided into supporters who will vote in favor of OC? Please.
I couldn't have stated it better ! OC is sort of like driving a convertible with the top down. Just can't do it all of the time, or even for very long if you are engaged in commerce or social intercourse of any sort. It is still educational and beneficial to strengthening respect for the RTKBA to show the general public that a holstered handgun on the belt of a mature, responsible, polite, and respectful citizen is no cause for alarm.Dragonfighter wrote:The Annoyed Man wrote:jsimmons wrote:Wow - I'm famous. :)
Concealed has many advantages, social and tactical. Open carry has its place though limited as a practical mode. A more realistic move would be to remove the failure to conceal penalties, like they did for failing to exhibit the license.
PATHFINDER wrote:I couldn't have stated it better ! OC is sort of like driving a convertible with the top down. Just can't do it all of the time, or even for very long if you are engaged in commerce or social intercourse of any sort. It is still educational and beneficial to strengthening respect for the RTKBA to show the general public that a holstered handgun on the belt of a mature, responsible, polite, and respectful citizen is no cause for alarm.Dragonfighter wrote:The Annoyed Man wrote:jsimmons wrote:Wow - I'm famous. :)
Concealed has many advantages, social and tactical. Open carry has its place though limited as a practical mode. A more realistic move would be to remove the failure to conceal penalties, like they did for failing to exhibit the license.
I call for a cease-fire from both positions. This "OC" movement may have gotten off to a bad start 2 years ago. That is unfortunate, but does not justify continuation of all of the antagonism. I spend 1/2 of my time in Colorado - the other half in Texas. I can display to my hearts content in Colorado during the Summer months. To be honest I can't say that I display any more in CO than in TX. And when I have displayed in CO - quite frankly it was a bit of a novelty for me. The bottom line (if there be one) is that the sight of a holstered handgun peacefully displayed in a mature, responsible, and respectful manner is probably LESS ALARMING to most people than a .30/.30 cradled in the hand. And neither should be "criminal" offenses unless section 42.01 (a)(8) is violated (disorderly conduct resulting from display of a firearm in public with intent to alarm).
I think there is less actual disagreement on this display issue than might be deduced from some of the rhetoric exchanged, and the revisiting of the past offenses. When I got my first CHL in the Spring of 1996 - I recall a classroom topic being covered called non-violent conflict resolution - ring any bells ? If WE can get CCC, parking lots, and just maybe 46.035 (a) deleted that would be good. The McDonald decision has brought the notion that Texas law may exclude the handgun from the extended federal protection of the 2A RTKBA under serious question and clear grounds for scrutiny.
The Texas constitutional protection of the RTKBA must now be blended with the federal RTKBA. - which makes no distinction between rifles, shotguns, and handguns. The Texas AG worked hard for the successful incorporation in McDonald. Texas never has "banned" handguns , or prohibited them in one's home, but an unconstitutional disparity now exists under Texas law selectively restricting the carry of a handgun everywhere else. This is a constitutional conflict - that deserves attention by the Legislature.
A final thought -The "open carry" terminology may be counter-productive - if its use engenders a similar emotional response to that received by the terms like "open borders", "open-marriage", "open house"- you name it - all allude to a bit of EXCESS and lack of ORDER. I prefer to use the term DISPLAY. The term "Open carry" may play well in most other states, but I think it can potentially conjure up negative visions- particularly in Texas. I'm not suggesting a "name change" is in order -but there are other English terms in the dictionary that address the subject.
Here's a great example. http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php? ... 15#p451982" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Keith B wrote:There were a lot of Open Carry proponents last session that were VERY nasty and bullying in their talking about the TSRA, and even Charles personallyBullwhip wrote:Who did this?Charles L. Cotton wrote:But until then, all of the obnoxious, insulting, condescending and juvenile attacks on the TSRA, NRA and me personally won't get me into the fight for open-carry.
Huh? Sorry, I'm lost. I asked "who", Keith B didn't answer, just said "some people".Pacific Rim Job wrote:Here's a great example. http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php? ... 15#p451982" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Keith B wrote:There were a lot of Open Carry proponents last session that were VERY nasty and bullying in their talking about the TSRA, and even Charles personallyBullwhip wrote:Who did this?Charles L. Cotton wrote:But until then, all of the obnoxious, insulting, condescending and juvenile attacks on the TSRA, NRA and me personally won't get me into the fight for open-carry.
Mike Stollenwerk and John Pierce for a couple. http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum66/21471-3.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. And there were several others who were upset because the NRA and/or TSRA didn't blindly follow the Open Carry push that his organization wanted to try force into legislation. There was even a representative ready to help draft an Open Carry bill in 2008 and the tactics used on her trying to bully her into pushing it caused her to totally drop the idea.Bullwhip wrote:Huh? Sorry, I'm lost. I asked "who", Keith B didn't answer, just said "some people".Pacific Rim Job wrote:Here's a great example. http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php? ... 15#p451982" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Keith B wrote:There were a lot of Open Carry proponents last session that were VERY nasty and bullying in their talking about the TSRA, and even Charles personallyBullwhip wrote:Who did this?Charles L. Cotton wrote:But until then, all of the obnoxious, insulting, condescending and juvenile attacks on the TSRA, NRA and me personally won't get me into the fight for open-carry.
Then PRJ gave a link that didn't show anyone being nasty, wasn't about OC, was about campus carry.
I'm confused. ???