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anygunanywhere wrote:People who flatly state that they would pay more taxes need to do so. Put up or shut up. If you want to feed the leeches more money then send a check to the IRS. Maybe send it to barry to dole out to one of his orks.

Sheesh.

More libtard trash talk.

Please spare us your platitudes and rhetoric. I have heard enough.

Anygunanywhere

chuck j wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:People who flatly state that they would pay more taxes need to do so. Put up or shut up. If you want to feed the leeches more money then send a check to the IRS. Maybe send it to barry to dole out to one of his orks.

Sheesh.

More libtard trash talk.

Please spare us your platitudes and rhetoric. I have heard enough.

Anygunanywhere

Come on lighten up anygunanywhere , cb1000rider is an ok guy , some folks just have a hard time making tough decisions .

anygunanywhere wrote:People who flatly state that they would pay more taxes need to do so. Put up or shut up. If you want to feed the leeches more money then send a check to the IRS. Maybe send it to barry to dole out to one of his orks.

Sheesh.

More libtard trash talk.

Please spare us your platitudes and rhetoric. I have heard enough.

Anygunanywhere

cb1000rider wrote:

VMI77 wrote: You seem to be confused about what the Constitution says and what it means. The Constitution is a charter for limited government. It defines what the Federal government is ALLOWED to do, and all those functions not specifically enumerated come under the sole power of the individual States. The Constitution DOES NOT ALLOW the Federal Government to provide welfare. Now granted, a liberal activist president (FDR) in collusion with a corrupt and dishonest Congress and a activist Supreme Court have deliberately re-interpreted the Constitution to mean what they want it to mean, but its clear meaning is quite obvious and simple. That said, if the government actually followed the Constitution, there is nothing prohibiting individual states from doling out all the welfare their residents are willing to cough up in taxes. And there are all kinds of reasons why the Founders wrote the Constitution the way they did --one of them being that the States were intended to be individual experiments for self-governance, both by individual demonstrations of what works and what doesn't, and as refuges for those citizens living in states that strayed too far in the wrong direction --another system of checks and balances.

So reading between the constitutional lecture lines, you seem to be saying that you think welfare is a job for the state.. And again, I'm looking for solutions, so I completely accept that as a reasonable solution. I can't say that it will solve the problem, as it only passes the burden of spending from federal taxes to state taxes (or property tax here in TX)... That assumes everything stays the same.

I do agree that states seem to have a better handle on the regional problems, certainly better than the federal government... So I certainly like that aspect.

In regard to the constitutional lecture. You guys can do that all day long, but the reality is that we pay taxes (too many) and currently pay into a system that takes from those who make money and at some level redistributes it. I see nothing in the constitution that "allows" for that, but we're not going to get the "reset" that you guys keep talking about any time soon, so why not work within the bounds of what we can change?

The preamble to the Constitution states: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

Article 1, Section 8 states: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States."

Tecumseh wrote:Why is it the most wealthy country/institution in the world, the Holy Roman Catholic Church, doesn't just take care of all the homeless and sick people? Why doesn't the local church down the street raise money for cancer patients and operate a homeless shelter after church services? Why should I be forced to do that with my tax dollars. Churches don't even pay taxes but keep the money they are gifted and don't even use it for good works. Just another reason that the tax system is not fair. Churches need to start coughing up money and doing their fair share.

Tecumseh wrote:Why is it the most wealthy country/institution in the world, the Holy Roman Catholic Church, doesn't just take care of all the homeless and sick people? Why doesn't the local church down the street raise money for cancer patients and operate a homeless shelter after church services? Why should I be forced to do that with my tax dollars. Churches don't even pay taxes but keep the money they are gifted and don't even use it for good works. Just another reason that the tax system is not fair. Churches need to start coughing up money and doing their fair share.