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WildBill wrote:

wgoforth wrote:I thought this was about whether we can conceal in a church service while partaking of fermented fruit of the vine in the communion at a church building which has a gun buster sign posted on the back door??

As long as there isn't a 51% sign on the front door.

That brings up a good point. I know of a church that used to meet at a restaurant off-hours that had a fairly active bar during regular business hours. Now, the restaurant was not a 51% location, but if it WAS a 51% business, and posted as such, then I would think you would be prohibited from carrying there even if they weren't open for regular business.

Keith B wrote:

WildBill wrote:

wgoforth wrote:I thought this was about whether we can conceal in a church service while partaking of fermented fruit of the vine in the communion at a church building which has a gun buster sign posted on the back door??

As long as there isn't a 51% sign on the front door.

That brings up a good point. I know of a church that used to meet at a restaurant off-hours that had a fairly active bar during regular business hours. Now, the restaurant was not a 51% location, but if it WAS a 51% business, and posted as such, then I would think you would be prohibited from carrying there even if they weren't open for regular business.

Very true.... in the old west days, churches would frequently begin (as would courts) by meeting in the saloons.

Keith B wrote:

WildBill wrote:

wgoforth wrote:I thought this was about whether we can conceal in a church service while partaking of fermented fruit of the vine in the communion at a church building which has a gun buster sign posted on the back door??

As long as there isn't a 51% sign on the front door.

That brings up a good point. I know of a church that used to meet at a restaurant off-hours that had a fairly active bar during regular business hours. Now, the restaurant was not a 51% location, but if it WAS a 51% business, and posted as such, then I would think you would be prohibited from carrying there even if they weren't open for regular business.

I think it would be the same for a church that rents space from a school, unless they have written authorization from the school. I'm not sure if Sunday School at a church counts as a school.

recaffeination wrote:I think it would be the same for a church that rents space from a school, unless they have written authorization from the school. I'm not sure if Sunday School at a church counts as a school.

Totally correct; as school is always a achool.

And welcome to the forum.

Crossfire wrote:If the handgun is within your reach, then you are presumed to be carrying under authority of your CHL, and you should notify the officer. "In the glove box" would be within reach in most situations.

If it is in the trunk, then you are not "carrying" it. You are only "transporting" it, and I don't see any reason to notify. Unless there is probable cause to conduct a search, it should not come up. And if there is, you can tell them about it then.

In my post i had asked about when my gun was "locked in the glove box". Does the fact that the glove box is locked not matter, it's still considered "within reach".

jerry_r60 wrote:

Crossfire wrote:If the handgun is within your reach, then you are presumed to be carrying under authority of your CHL, and you should notify the officer. "In the glove box" would be within reach in most situations.

If it is in the trunk, then you are not "carrying" it. You are only "transporting" it, and I don't see any reason to notify. Unless there is probable cause to conduct a search, it should not come up. And if there is, you can tell them about it then.

In my post i had asked about when my gun was "locked in the glove box". Does the fact that the glove box is locked not matter, it's still considered "within reach".

Because there is not a definition of secured that states 'locked in a glove box or console', then I would say it would still be considered 'within reach'. If I have a gun in the passenger compartment of my vehicle, loaded, unloaded, in the back seat, under the seat, no matter, I am going to inform the officer when I present my CHL and DL.

...me, too...

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Keith B wrote:

jerry_r60 wrote:

Crossfire wrote:If the handgun is within your reach, then you are presumed to be carrying under authority of your CHL, and you should notify the officer. "In the glove box" would be within reach in most situations.

If it is in the trunk, then you are not "carrying" it. You are only "transporting" it, and I don't see any reason to notify. Unless there is probable cause to conduct a search, it should not come up. And if there is, you can tell them about it then.

In my post i had asked about when my gun was "locked in the glove box". Does the fact that the glove box is locked not matter, it's still considered "within reach".

Because there is not a definition of secured that states 'locked in a glove box or console', then I would say it would still be considered 'within reach'. If I have a gun in the passenger compartment of my vehicle, loaded, unloaded, in the back seat, under the seat, no matter, I am going to inform the officer when I present my CHL and DL.

Thanks, makes sense. I do lean towards being conservative in approach so the answers help.

Keith B wrote:

jerry_r60 wrote:

Crossfire wrote:If the handgun is within your reach, then you are presumed to be carrying under authority of your CHL, and you should notify the officer. "In the glove box" would be within reach in most situations.

If it is in the trunk, then you are not "carrying" it. You are only "transporting" it, and I don't see any reason to notify. Unless there is probable cause to conduct a search, it should not come up. And if there is, you can tell them about it then.

In my post i had asked about when my gun was "locked in the glove box". Does the fact that the glove box is locked not matter, it's still considered "within reach".

Because there is not a definition of secured that states 'locked in a glove box or console', then I would say it would still be considered 'within reach'. If I have a gun in the passenger compartment of my vehicle, loaded, unloaded, in the back seat, under the seat, no matter, I am going to inform the officer when I present my CHL and DL.

Minor disagreement.

Assuming the traffic stop occurs in Texas, I'm not going to inform the officer that I have a weapon in the car. I'm just going to hand over my CHL along with my DL and anything else he asks for (registration, proof of insurance, etc). If the LEO then asks me whether I have a gun, I will answer truthfully "yes, it is in the glove box", etc.

I've been stopped twice since getting my CHL and the above process has worked out fine (although in one case the LEO just handed my CHL back saying that he didn't need it, and he didn't ask whether I have a gun).

I would also hand over my CHL even if I did not have a weapon on me at the time, by the way.

Of course, I will also ensure that I have everything ready when the officer gets to my car, with my hands in plain view on the steering wheel and the dome light on if at night, etc.

Just don't drink and drive and you'll be fine.