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cb1000rider wrote:If we're talking about this link - I can't follow it all.. It'd need to be too well organized across decades. Maybe I'll get there as I grow older and more paranoid (which is certainly inevitable). It reads like an Alex Jones expose...

Here's an opinion on the upside of the SCOTUS ruling and it's definitely brings us back on topic:
Did gay marriage just help nationwide concealed carry?

So now we're going to get excited about having the federal government set the rules for carrying? No thank you. Anyone who is foolish enough to step into the trap needs to get out of the lawsuit business.

Today, SCOTUS gives voting rights to non-citizens: http://www3.atr.rollcall.com/supreme-co ... ates/?dcz=.

No....... there's no agenda..... move along......

baldeagle wrote: So now we're going to get excited about having the federal government set the rules for carrying? No thank you. Anyone who is foolish enough to step into the trap needs to get out of the lawsuit business.

Me personally: Not set all rules, but establish a minimum set of common rules, yes.
If you travel across states, frequently, and carry, I'm sure you feel the pain. For me to pack up and travel with firearms, it's a huge pain and requires quite a bit of due diligence. What I'd like to see is a minimum set of national standards and allow states rights to be more permissive as they see fit. There are places in Illinois that need a serious constitutional smack down.

A good analogy would be that in all 50 states, my drivers license is respected. IE: The actual licensing requirements to drive a big RV across the US differ from state to state, but as a TX resident, I can't get a ticket in Ohio for not meeting Ohio license requirements, assuming I've met the requirements in Texas.

The Annoyed Man wrote:Today, SCOTUS gives voting rights to non-citizens: http://www3.atr.rollcall.com/supreme-co ... ates/?dcz=.

No....... there's no agenda..... move along......

I/We have to have a license to get married, work, drive, carry a gun, buy a gun, buy liquor etc but no need to have a license to vote and choose the most powerful leaders of the world. No, no agenda at work here. The judicial system and supreme court is pure as snow.

mojo84 wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:Today, SCOTUS gives voting rights to non-citizens: http://www3.atr.rollcall.com/supreme-co ... ates/?dcz=.

No....... there's no agenda..... move along......

I/We have to have a license to get married, work, drive, carry a gun, buy a gun, buy liquor etc but no need to have a license to vote and choose the some of the most powerful leaders of the world. No, no agenda at work here. The judicial system and supreme court is pure as snow.

If they wanted to undermine the confidence of citizens in their government, they couldn't have picked a better method.

He promised to fundamentally change our country. He has succeeded.

mojo84 wrote:He promised to fundamentally change our country. He has succeeded.

Yep.

July 4th I am flying the flag upside down.

anygunanywhere wrote:July 4th I am flying the flag upside down.

Good idea. I will too.

cb1000rider wrote:

baldeagle wrote: So now we're going to get excited about having the federal government set the rules for carrying? No thank you. Anyone who is foolish enough to step into the trap needs to get out of the lawsuit business.

Me personally: Not set all rules, but establish a minimum set of common rules, yes.
If you travel across states, frequently, and carry, I'm sure you feel the pain. For me to pack up and travel with firearms, it's a huge pain and requires quite a bit of due diligence. What I'd like to see is a minimum set of national standards and allow states rights to be more permissive as they see fit. There are places in Illinois that need a serious constitutional smack down.

A good analogy would be that in all 50 states, my drivers license is respected. IE: The actual licensing requirements to drive a big RV across the US differ from state to state, but as a TX resident, I can't get a ticket in Ohio for not meeting Ohio license requirements, assuming I've met the requirements in Texas.

If the Feds get involved you can kiss CC goodbye. They'll set minimums all right....minimums like you have to have a minimum liability policy of $1 Million in order to carry and can't carry guns with magazine capacities of more than 8 rounds. You can't compare it to driver's licenses, RVs, and gay marriage. Driver's licensing is an economic issue, TPTB don't care about RVs and they are advocates of gay marriage...what they don't want is a bunch of us peasants walking around armed --just ask Hillary. We no longer have representative government at the national level so anything the Feds poke their nose into from here on out is very likely to run the liberty train right off the rails.

CLAIM: Media to Make ‘Gay Reparations’ an Issue in 2016 GOP Presidential Primary Race

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/06 ... mary-race/

I probably don't support your cause. I most likely don't care. I support your right to do what makes you happy. I support your right to be free.

That may include a lot of things I don't give a rat's backside about.

You're Baptist, that's fine. I don't care if you leave me alone.
You're gay, that's fine. I don't care if you leave me alone.
You like to sky dive. I don't care. Don't fall on my house.
You don't want to eat meat? Fine, you are stupid, but that just means more for me.
You like to walk around in a wading pool full of Vaseline because you like the way it feels between your toes? Have fun, I don't care.
You want to burn a flag? that's your first amendment right. I will acknowledge and defend your right to political speech. I will not support your flag burning.

Despite people's rabid reactions, what other people do, does NOT really affect my life or my relationship with my wife or family nor does it "destroy society as we know it."
The sky has been falling ever since the first caveman proposed moving out of a cave and into a grass hut and the rest of the cave residents went crazy because they had "always lived in caves."

I hear that "gay marriage" has desecrated "heterosexual marriage." Please show me. If a cemetery is desecrated, then I can point to specific headstones and monuments in that cemetery and show evidence of that specific damage. Please show me a single heterosexual, Christian marriage where either party has decided, Wow, gays can marry now, I think I should get a divorce or cheat on my spouse.

You want to limit my freedom to enjoy my life because of your beliefs or preferences? That's when I start caring and will oppose you.

Don't pick my pocket. Don't break my arm. Keep your nose out of my life and I will ignore you in return.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

No.

Do unto others as they want you to do unto them. This usually means leave them alone and go about your business. Most people don't want to be done unto at all.

android wrote:I probably don't support your cause. I most likely don't care. I support your right to do what makes you happy. I support your right to be free.

That kind of thinking is what has gotten our country to the sorry state that it is in. Do you like America today? Like politicians ignoring you completely? Like being $18 trillion in debt with $120 trillion in unfunded liabilities? Like local, state and federal governments passing regulations and laws that take away your freedom?

It's all because we just wanted to be left alone. Do your own thing, they say. It doesn't affect me. And yet here we are. Satanism is being taught in schools. So is Islam. Young children are being introduced to homosexuality and transgenderism and taught that they are perfectly normal. Socialism is being taught throughout the educational system, from kindergarten through graduate school.

But hey, it doesn't affect me and mine.

There's an old saying, you can't get in a pig sty without getting some on you. America is a pig sty. Believe me, it affects you more than you realize.

baldeagle wrote: Satanism is being taught in schools.

Ah, that explains why I am having to buy a new dog every week to replace the ones that go missing.

Puleez.... The Satanic cult threat is so 1980's.

android wrote:

baldeagle wrote: Satanism is being taught in schools.

Ah, that explains why I am having to buy a new dog every week to replace the ones that go missing.

Puleez.... The Satanic cult threat is so 1980's.

It is only a 1980's threat if someone has their head burried in the sand.

Also now same sex marriage can be taught in the public system. What a joy for my grandkids.