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Dragonfighter wrote: Oldgringo,

It's been 60 something pages (I think) since i felt compelled to comment.

As I said back then, "stupid is not illegal". And I thank God for that or I would have been put away decades ago. GZ's head "belonged" anywhere he was legally allowed to be. It was HIS neighborhood, he was neighborhood watch (whatever extra responsibility that entails) and he was observing and reporting. That much is established fact.

Was it a tactical error? Certainly, hindsight being 20/20 but if I were to try and imagine myself in GZ's shoes, I would not necessarily see it as a tactical error at the time. This given the notation that TM was "suspicious" not violent at the time GZ saw him. Also, and I'd bet a soda that GZ knew this, an overwhelming majority of "suspicious" types will cease whatever they're doing once they know they are being observed and that would motivate some of us to do just what GZ did, let the guy know he was being watched and call 911.

Now whatever TM's state of intoxication was, instead of going on about HIS business getting to where he "belonged" (or for that matter verbally challenging GZ) he opted to violently engage GZ and now he's dead and another man's life is ruined for all intents and purposes.

Many, many responses on this thread reiterate that yes, getting out of the car was a tactical error and I agree...in hindsight. But this trend in placing blame for the incident on a man doing what was legal and going above the norm in watching his neighborhood is truly disturbing. May you never have to answer for a mistake like George Zimmerman and may you not be blamed as you and many others have done. As for me, "There, but for the grace of God, go I."

@psijac - I would contend that getting out of the car proves nothing in the way of criminality on GZ's part. The FACT that TM is dead with a bullet from GZ's weapon proves homicide, but the criminality (if any) lives elsewhere.

ScooterSissy wrote:

speedsix wrote:...I don't know how one could say that they were navigating the legal system by themselves...with all that money and a lawyer...seems like they could get good legal advice...but then they'd have had to spend more of that money on what it was donated for...perish the thought...

What was the money donated for? Do you remember the simple web site that was put up? Can't say that I do, other than I remember it was very sparse on details as to what it was to be used for...

speedsix wrote:

ScooterSissy wrote:

speedsix wrote:...I don't know how one could say that they were navigating the legal system by themselves...with all that money and a lawyer...seems like they could get good legal advice...but then they'd have had to spend more of that money on what it was donated for...perish the thought...

What was the money donated for? Do you remember the simple web site that was put up? Can't say that I do, other than I remember it was very sparse on details as to what it was to be used for...

...more of those pesky facts... http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/04/ge ... erman.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(be sure to note the "...only for living expenses and legal defense..." part...)

I have created a Paypal account solely linked on this website as I would like to provide an avenue to thank my supporters personally and ensure that any funds provided are used only for living expenses and legal defense, in lieu of my forced inability to maintain employment. I will also personally, maintain accountability of all funds received. I reassure you, every donation is appreciated.

speedsix wrote:...well, if you don't like the verbatim copy of his website that I was able to drudge up, maybe you could step up and do your own research...there's a novel approach...I was just responding to refresh your memory since you seemed concerned that legal expenses might not have been what it was donated for...I've answered that "challenge"...now you want to take off on another tangent...seems the facts don't suit you... PLEASE chase your own rabbits...

speedsix wrote:...refreshingly accurate, clear-headed, and well put...welcome to the forum...this may be the best post in all these many pages!!! You've got my vote!!!

ScooterSissy wrote:

speedsix wrote:...I don't know how one could say that they were navigating the legal system by themselves...with all that money and a lawyer...seems like they could get good legal advice...but then they'd have had to spend more of that money on what it was donated for...perish the thought...

What was the money donated for? Do you remember the simple web site that was put up? Can't say that I do, other than I remember it was very sparse on details as to what it was to be used for...

The Annoyed Man wrote:

ScooterSissy wrote:

speedsix wrote:...I don't know how one could say that they were navigating the legal system by themselves...with all that money and a lawyer...seems like they could get good legal advice...but then they'd have had to spend more of that money on what it was donated for...perish the thought...

What was the money donated for? Do you remember the simple web site that was put up? Can't say that I do, other than I remember it was very sparse on details as to what it was to be used for...

I remember it, because I donated to it. It was a specific request for donations to raise money for legal defense.....nothing more.

...any funds provided are used only for living expenses and legal defense, in lieu of my forced inability to maintain employment

speedsix wrote:...notice the promise to use the donations for living expenses and legal expenses...not to squirrel it away and hide it from the judge...OOPS... http://www.google.com/imgres?q=image+of ... 4,s:0,i:86" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...the "real" George Zimmerman??? Alrighty...