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I'm waiting for the OSHA/MSHA Emergency Temporary Standards to hit.

Killadocg23 wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:08 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:37 pm

Killadocg23 wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:30 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:09 pm The government over reach has already gone on for way to long. It should have been about each individuals choice from day one. Give people the info and allow them to choose. That is what freedom is.

I agree with this. At the Walmart here in Crosby they have mask required signs up but don’t enforce them and that’s fine.Majority of folks where theirs mask but there are a few anti maskers that don’t and that’s fine they should have that choice. I continue to wear my mask(I already had Covid and sure as hell don’t want it again).

The only problem with your philosophy is that it has already been shown that wearing a mask does not protect the wearer. It is to keep the wearer from spreading it to others.

I have heard mixed reviews on immunity from having Covid. At least short term. I have had the first shot and am due for the second any day now. Hopefully the new variants aren't going to be an issue.

Well if I can do my part to help “slow” the spread I will. I’ve know a few folks who didn’t take this thing serious and are now either in an urn or 6 feet deep. Like I said those don’t want to wear a mask that’s fine with me do as your please but I will continue to wear mine out in public.

And you are right I have actually heard that if you had it before chances of catching it again is very slim or non existent basically.

And good stuff man. I am thinking on taking the vaccine soon too. I know a few folks that took it already and said they feel fine and still have all their fingers and toes

My daughter and sil told me they are disappointed I have not grown a tail yet. They said they were planning on selling tickets to look at my tail.

Killadocg23 wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 8:08 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:37 pm

Killadocg23 wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:30 pm

03Lightningrocks wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:09 pm The government over reach has already gone on for way to long. It should have been about each individuals choice from day one. Give people the info and allow them to choose. That is what freedom is.

I agree with this. At the Walmart here in Crosby they have mask required signs up but don’t enforce them and that’s fine.Majority of folks where theirs mask but there are a few anti maskers that don’t and that’s fine they should have that choice. I continue to wear my mask(I already had Covid and sure as hell don’t want it again).

The only problem with your philosophy is that it has already been shown that wearing a mask does not protect the wearer. It is to keep the wearer from spreading it to others.

I have heard mixed reviews on immunity from having Covid. At least short term. I have had the first shot and am due for the second any day now. Hopefully the new variants aren't going to be an issue.

Well if I can do my part to help “slow” the spread I will. I’ve know a few folks who didn’t take this thing serious and are now either in an urn or 6 feet deep. Like I said those don’t want to wear a mask that’s fine with me do as your please but I will continue to wear mine out in public.

And you are right I have actually heard that if you had it before chances of catching it again is very slim or non existent basically.

And good stuff man. I am thinking on taking the vaccine soon too. I know a few folks that took it already and said they feel fine and still have all their fingers and toes

I'm curious what benefit taking the vaccine does for someone who has already had a positive diagnosis. If you actually had it, you should already have antibodies. A vaccine is going to do the same thing for your system. I'm no doctor or microbiologist...perhaps someone can help me understand.

A mask only works if “the other guy” wears one. This is because of the secret one way nanotechnology in the cloth face diaper that only blocks #MuhDroplets from coming out from the other guy, but doesn’t stop them from coming in if you are wearing one. Now don’t forget because of the 150 year grand tradition of Texas property rights and trespassing and the castle law and stuff...if there is a cartoon of a man wearing a surgical mask, that means that you are guilty of a class A misdemeanor trespass if you don’t cover your mouth and nose with a scrap of cloth in any Target or Walmart nationwide, forever. Unless you are a cop, or a fed, or a paramedic, or a utility worker, or a soldier sailor or marine or coastguardsperson or have a CPR card, cuz Texas REALLY likes private property rights and stuff.

Flightmare wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:15 pm
I'm curious what benefit taking the vaccine does for someone who has already had a positive diagnosis. If you actually had it, you should already have antibodies. A vaccine is going to do the same thing for your system. I'm no doctor or microbiologist...perhaps someone can help me understand.

The family that's in my small bubble and I have had both shots. I intend on still wearing my mask at least for while. Why? It's a matter of courtesy and respect. If it helps folks be more comfortable then, why not? Folks won't have to be as concerned if I let out a sneeze or small cough.

I don't believe that my wearing pants makes the world any safer, but It makes people more comfortable when I do. So I wear pants and a shirt when I go out.

Liberty wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:16 am

Flightmare wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:15 pm
I'm curious what benefit taking the vaccine does for someone who has already had a positive diagnosis. If you actually had it, you should already have antibodies. A vaccine is going to do the same thing for your system. I'm no doctor or microbiologist...perhaps someone can help me understand.

The family that's in my small bubble and I have had both shots. I intend on still wearing my mask at least for while. Why? It's a matter of courtesy and respect. If it helps folks be more comfortable then, why not? Folks won't have to be as concerned if I let out a sneeze or small cough.

I don't believe that my wearing pants makes the world any safer, but It makes people more comfortable when I do. So I wear pants and a shirt when I go out.

Personally, I don't have an issue with wearing a mask. I don't even have an issue with a private business requiring a mask to enter. That is their right as a small business. I have an issue with the government telling me I am required to wear a mask. Many folks tend to be confused about the difference. Reading some of the posts on social media, one would think the Governor had outlawed wearing masks. He merely removed the government from our personal business. Where they NEVER belonged to begin with.

Flightmare wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:15 pmI'm curious what benefit taking the vaccine does for someone who has already had a positive diagnosis. If you actually had it, you should already have antibodies. A vaccine is going to do the same thing for your system. I'm no doctor or microbiologist...perhaps someone can help me understand.

1. The antibodies produced from the vaccine can be 10x the antibodies that exist in a convalescent patient.
2. The second dose of vaccine is intended to induce a greater T-cell response. This should (still being studied) give your immune system a longer "memory" should it encounter the virus again. Immunity from vaccination "should" last longer than immunity from having had COVID but no vaccination.

Again... Studies are ongoing.

Back on topic.... I have had 2 x Moderna and I'm still wearing a mask in indoor public spaces.
1. To protect myself from variants, since efficacy of the Moderna vax against the SA varient is less.
2. To protect others from the possibility of vaccinated people still being able to transmit the virus (unlikely LINK, but still being studied)

RoyGBiv wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:45 am

Flightmare wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:15 pmI'm curious what benefit taking the vaccine does for someone who has already had a positive diagnosis. If you actually had it, you should already have antibodies. A vaccine is going to do the same thing for your system. I'm no doctor or microbiologist...perhaps someone can help me understand.

1. The antibodies produced from the vaccine can be 10x the antibodies that exist in a convalescent patient.
2. The second dose of vaccine is intended to induce a greater T-cell response. This should (still being studied) give your immune system a longer "memory" should it encounter the virus again. Immunity from vaccination "should" last longer than immunity from having had COVID but no vaccination.

Again... Studies are ongoing.

Great explanation. Thanks. I am worried about how long the vaccine is effective. I am hoping it is not a yearly thing. The virus is already mutating. It could mutate into something that beats the vaccine.

03Lightningrocks wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:48 am

RoyGBiv wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:45 am

Flightmare wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:15 pmI'm curious what benefit taking the vaccine does for someone who has already had a positive diagnosis. If you actually had it, you should already have antibodies. A vaccine is going to do the same thing for your system. I'm no doctor or microbiologist...perhaps someone can help me understand.

1. The antibodies produced from the vaccine can be 10x the antibodies that exist in a convalescent patient.
2. The second dose of vaccine is intended to induce a greater T-cell response. This should (still being studied) give your immune system a longer "memory" should it encounter the virus again. Immunity from vaccination "should" last longer than immunity from having had COVID but no vaccination.

Again... Studies are ongoing.

Great explanation. Thanks. I am worried about how long the vaccine is effective. I am hoping it is not a yearly thing.

From what I've read, the clinical trials patients still have antibodies. Study is ongoing to see for how long.
For me, variants are the biggest concern in the short term. My opinion only.
I'm expecting to need a yearly booster (at minimum, to address virus mutations), but, don't have any data to back that claim. Again, just my opinion.

Some interesting data science from UNC: If vaccination produces 10x the antibodies of a convalescent patient**, and this data suggests a 50-70% reduction in efficacy over 10 months, so, the data suggests a vaccinated person should still have more antibodies than a recently convalescent patient.
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210 ... cines.aspx

** I have an acquaintance that does work in this field. He has been testing his antibody levels as he's gone through vaccination and found that 1 week after Phizer #2 his levels were >10x that of a typical convalescent patient... I've not gone looking for more data to back that up, so, YMMV.

Lots of hopeful news on the vaccination front, but, lots of work still to be done to answer these important questions with greater certainty.

03Lightningrocks wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:24 pmMy daughter and sil told me they are disappointed I have not grown a tail yet. They said they were planning on selling tickets to look at my tail.

I've got a running joke-fest going with my daughter, a healthcare worker (PT).
Sometimes she'll joke about my being GMO.
Or, she'll casually ask how I'm feeling and I'll reply "Like I've got Bill Gates inside me, but not in my bank account".

Dad jokes.

03Lightningrocks wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:48 am Great explanation. Thanks. I am worried about how long the vaccine is effective. I am hoping it is not a yearly thing. The virus is already mutating. It could mutate into something that beats the vaccine.

I may be a little cynical, but I expect this to be a yearly vaccine to combat the current strain, much like the flu. I am not an expert in this, but the conflicting reports out of the various experts makes me think no one really knows what is going to happen. I know of a couple vaccines that have a limited effective length of immunity (think flu or tetanus) but most are permanent. I got a measles vaccination series as a child and have never had to take another one nor have I had the measles. If this isn't like the MMR series, I can accept that it is like the flu shots where you need a new one each year do to the variants found that year. Of course, from that I infer that COVID is much more like the flu than people first claimed and that there was a serious over-reaction to the disease.

03Lightningrocks wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:38 am

Liberty wrote: Wed Mar 03, 2021 8:16 am

Flightmare wrote: Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:15 pm
I'm curious what benefit taking the vaccine does for someone who has already had a positive diagnosis. If you actually had it, you should already have antibodies. A vaccine is going to do the same thing for your system. I'm no doctor or microbiologist...perhaps someone can help me understand.

The family that's in my small bubble and I have had both shots. I intend on still wearing my mask at least for while. Why? It's a matter of courtesy and respect. If it helps folks be more comfortable then, why not? Folks won't have to be as concerned if I let out a sneeze or small cough.

I don't believe that my wearing pants makes the world any safer, but It makes people more comfortable when I do. So I wear pants and a shirt when I go out.

Personally, I don't have an issue with wearing a mask. I don't even have an issue with a private business requiring a mask to enter. That is their right as a small business. I have an issue with the government telling me I am required to wear a mask. Many folks tend to be confused about the difference. Reading some of the posts on social media, one would think the Governor had outlawed wearing masks. He merely removed the government from our personal business. Where they NEVER belonged to begin with.

https://babylonbee.com/news/experts-war ... of-freedom

God bless Babylon Bee!

and now biden ordered over 100 covid positive migrants to be released into texas. WHY DOES out state allow this? we should not let the bus stop or unload, escort the bus to the next state.
back on topic

in our neck of the woods we have been maskless for some time.

The Biden administration pulls that crap and then will blame masks when Covid spikes.