AN ARSENAL!!!................................of air rifles

jimlongley · Post by **jimlongley** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:39 pm

Observed on TV this afternoon, at the car dealer while I was waiting for the service to be done, was a "grenade" which appeared to be exactly what Molon-labe referred to, an airsoft grenade.

http://airsoftgunsandrifles.stores.yaho ... 000pe.html

lrb111 · Post by **lrb111** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:56 pm

unreal

and i bet the 9mm ASSAULT Carbine is a high point.

lanternlad · Post by **lanternlad** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:58 pm

P.S. The "assault rifle" is a 9MM Hi-Point Carbine...designed during the Clintoons AWB, specifically to NOT have any of the "eeeevil black rifle" designations, all the other guns are TOYS!!!

10round magazine
No pistol grip
No bayonette lug
No select fire

The media sure is going out of its way to blow this out of proportion!

You can guarantee some new "anti-gun" laws being thrown around in rapid succession

The Hi-Point Carbine DOES have a pistol grip. It was also one of the weapons used by Dylan Klebold in the Columbine Massacre.

Other than that, this has Sheeple Mass Hysteria written all over it.

Fox News slogan SHOULD be: "Think. While its still legal."

srothstein · Post by **srothstein** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:52 pm

Michele Cossey bought her home-schooled son a .22-caliber handgun, a .22-caliber rifle and a 9 mm semiautomatic rifle, authorities said. The teenager felt bullied and tried to recruit another boy for the possible attack at Plymouth Whitemarsh High School, authorities said.

Does anyone else have a problem with how a home schooled boy can feel bullied and resent the local high school?

His mother was charged with unlawful transfer of a firearm, possession of a firearm by a minor, corruption of a minor, endangering the welfare of a child and two counts of reckless endangerment.

Why do I get the feeling that this is a stacked set of charges? How did she corrupt the minor by giving him a gun?

Castor has said he does not believe and attack was imminent or would occur at all. He said Friday that the teen had a "disturbed mind."

And here we have a local official saying the whole think is overblown and was never going to really happen. Somehow, that really does make me think this story stinks to high heaven.

As a citizen who wants to be safe from government interference, I have a lot of problems with the way this whole thing went down. As a citizen who wants to be safe and have my kids safe in school, I am glad someone saw the warning signs and took some action. They even got the parent's permission to search the room, so I cannot say the police acted to badly. But I think the whole thing is an overreaction and is not going to get anyone any benefit, except the media playing it up for sales and ratings. If the kid really felt bullied, throwing him and his mother in jail sure is not the way to make him start looking favorably at society. Could they not have done acted on the tip, contacted the parents, searched the room, and then worked with them to get him into a psychological treatment program? Or am I asking too much of a government, media, and society that is hooked on cash and blood?

WarHawk-AVG · Post by **WarHawk-AVG** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:53 am

lanternlad wrote:
P.S. The "assault rifle" is a 9MM Hi-Point Carbine...designed during the Clintoons AWB, specifically to NOT have any of the "eeeevil black rifle" designations, all the other guns are TOYS!!!

10round magazine
No pistol grip
No bayonette lug
No select fire

The media sure is going out of its way to blow this out of proportion!

You can guarantee some new "anti-gun" laws being thrown around in rapid succession
The Hi-Point Carbine DOES have a pistol grip. It was also one of the weapons used by Dylan Klebold in the Columbine Massacre.

Other than that, this has Sheeple Mass Hysteria written all over it.

Fox News slogan SHOULD be: "Think. While its still legal."

Oh snap..you are right (my stuff works perfectly!......most of the time)

Oh yah...an assault rifle uses and intermediate RIFLE cartridge...not an anemic pistol cartridge at best

Jungle Work · Post by **Jungle Work** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:12 am

Police + News Media + Fake Guns = Useful Idiots.

Jungle Work

lawrnk · Post by **lawrnk** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:49 am

When i heard these were air guns, I was really upset @ fox. Normally I like Fox news.

lawrnk · Post by **lawrnk** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:51 am

And while I support a 14 year old owning his own rifle, his mother was irresponsible in keeping it unsecured in his room. She should have kept it locked when he is not shooting with supervision.

hi-power · Post by **hi-power** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:36 am

srothstein wrote:As a citizen who wants to be safe from government interference, I have a lot of problems with the way this whole thing went down. As a citizen who wants to be safe and have my kids safe in school, I am glad someone saw the warning signs and took some action. They even got the parent's permission to search the room, so I cannot say the police acted to badly. But I think the whole thing is an overreaction and is not going to get anyone any benefit, except the media playing it up for sales and ratings. If the kid really felt bullied, throwing him and his mother in jail sure is not the way to make him start looking favorably at society. Could they not have done acted on the tip, contacted the parents, searched the room, and then worked with them to get him into a psychological treatment program? Or am I asking too much of a government, media, and society that is hooked on cash and blood?

100%

srothstein · Post by **srothstein** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:21 am

lawrnk wrote:And while I support a 14 year old owning his own rifle, his mother was irresponsible in keeping it unsecured in his room. She should have kept it locked when he is not shooting with supervision.

Why? My kids each keep their own rifles. That way they learn to clean and take care of them. I do keep the ammo separately, as it appears she did since the police found NONE in the search. That seems like a pretty safe thing to do to me.

mcub · Post by **mcub** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:26 am

boomerang wrote:Let me get this straight. He had BB guns and plastic containers containing BBs.

:biggrinjester:

AS I understand the CNN web article he had BB's. in the "simulated grenade" and Black powder. I take it they mean he was trying to make a real grenade out of a toy. I take that to mean he was making IED's from his toys.

Now to the comments on the way the police displayed his collection.
To people that want to ban toy guns, it didnâ€™t matter if it was 1 or 1000.
To people that want to bad fire arms, 1 9mm or 1000, the same response.
To gun culture, there is a realization that people like this are the ones that feed anti gun attitudes.

To the police, they need to defend arresting a kid with a BB gun to the Child rights and anti-police groups.

There is (was) no appropriate way to handle the situation to the press, because when you have a child who's mental state has collapsed to the point he is building weapons and trying to recruit help to use them against his school mates, THERE ARE ONLY bad images, because there is no good , and no good out come. Only the less of two evils, his life being publicly wrecked, instead of his school mates being maimed and killed.

dihappy · Post by **dihappy** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:34 pm

srothstein wrote:
lawrnk wrote:And while I support a 14 year old owning his own rifle, his mother was irresponsible in keeping it unsecured in his room. She should have kept it locked when he is not shooting with supervision.
Why? My kids each keep their own rifles. That way they learn to clean and take care of them. I do keep the ammo separately, as it appears she did since the police found NONE in the search. That seems like a pretty safe thing to do to me.

IM sure you are safe, but i wouldnt let them keep them unsecured in their room.

What if friends come over?
What if your home is burglarized?
etc. etc.

srothstein · Post by **srothstein** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:19 pm

If we are burglarized, the guns would be stolen anyway, so that is not a reason to deprive the kids of them. As for when others come over, this is one of the learning things I expect. My kids know better than to play with the rifles or my pistols. They know that this also includes not letting anyone else play with them. So, when they bring friends over, it helps them learn to not give in to peer pressure (they are more afraid of me and what I will do when they break the rules than anything the other kids can do to them).

It seems to have worked so far. My oldest is 30, my youngest is 8, the 5 in between are 12,14,17,20, and 24, and each of them had the rifles on their tenth birthday and had friends over before and after that. The youngest has had his friends over and there has been no problem. It has also worked out to help make all of them more resistant to peer pressure in other areas too.

If you teach your kids and raise them right, their having firearms in their room is not a problem in my opinion. Obviously, I am glad I moved away from the Philadelphia area before giving a kid a rifle was considered corrupting a minor.

flintknapper · Post by **flintknapper** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:30 pm

srothstein wrote:If we are burglarized, the guns would be stolen anyway, so that is not a reason to deprive the kids of them. As for when others come over, this is one of the learning things I expect. My kids know better than to play with the rifles or my pistols. They know that this also includes not letting anyone else play with them. So, when they bring friends over, it helps them learn to not give in to peer pressure (they are more afraid of me and what I will do when they break the rules than anything the other kids can do to them).

It seems to have worked so far. My oldest is 30, my youngest is 8, the 5 in between are 12,14,17,20, and 24, and each of them had the rifles on their tenth birthday and had friends over before and after that. The youngest has had his friends over and there has been no problem. It has also worked out to help make all of them more resistant to peer pressure in other areas too.

If you teach your kids and raise them right, their having firearms in their room is not a problem in my opinion. Obviously, I am glad I moved away from the Philadelphia area before giving a kid a rifle was considered corrupting a minor.

+1

I am big believer in "having a handle" on your kids. Sounds like you have done an excellent job!

My hat is off to you.

dukalmighty · Post by **dukalmighty** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:09 am

Due to several high profile homicides by school kids,I believe every threat should be taken seriously,but when a DA tries to make something seem worse than it is by loading up a table with bb guns to make it look like the kid had an arsenal of weapons,i find disturbing and scary,i reload and have several pounds of smokeless powder on handat any given time,due to this i will never be able to buy bb's because i will have the means to make a bomb,It's a slippery slope when we start saying he had the potential to make a bomb etc.there are chemicals in the ordinary household if you know what your doing when mixed will go boom but until they are mixed are perfectly legal.Just my 2 cents

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