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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:05 pm
by Photoman
tboesche wrote:"we don't ban it but do discourage it".

Strange conclusion. Very inconsistent.

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:29 am
by KBCraig
Photoman wrote:
tboesche wrote:"we don't ban it but do discourage it".
Strange conclusion. Very inconsistent.
I wonder how they "discourage" illegal carry.

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:24 am
by Liberty
Photoman wrote:
tboesche wrote:"we don't ban it but do discourage it".

Strange conclusion. Very inconsistent.
He had been shot in the incident. I can understand an emotional responce to a traumatic situation. In the end they let logic dictate the rules. I'm sure that are others in the church that insist that they carry. I as a newcomer in that church would respect their feelings and not bring it up again.

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:48 am
by tboesche
I don't intend to bring it up again. I will be sitting qiuetly in my pew with my 9mm well concealed. Incidentally, the man who was shot is a gunner. As he tells the story, he recognised the make and caliber of the gun just before he was shot with it.

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:11 am
by seamusTX
tboesche wrote:Incidentally, the man who was shot is a gunner. As he tells the story, he recognised the make and caliber of the gun just before he was shot with it.
I think there are some psychological states that we can't understand if we don't share the experience.

My father was in combat in WW II. He was shot at by Japanese planes. He had bombs dropped on his position. He lost friends. Afterward, he had no use for guns. I respected his feelings.

- Jim

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:29 am
by longtooth
seamusTX wrote:
tboesche wrote:Incidentally, the man who was shot is a gunner. As he tells the story, he recognised the make and caliber of the gun just before he was shot with it.
I think there are some psychological states that we can't understand if we don't share the experience.

My father was in combat in WW II. He was shot at by Japanese planes. He had bombs dropped on his position. He lost friends. Afterward, he had no use for guns. I respected his feelings.

- Jim
You are right seamus.
My Dad also went through WW11 & his ship was hit by a suicide plane at IWO. He was a signalman in Korea assigned to a Marine division. He saw quit a bit of hand to hand & when he got out pistols & knives were his disdain. I have his baoynet. He wanted me to keep it but did not want to even see it out when he was at our house.
We don't know what they went through mentally.

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:56 am
by LedJedi
<begin hillbilly drawl>

I don't trust no church (or govment man) that don't trust me with my gun...

<end hillbilly drawl>

that goes doubly for me too.

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:18 pm
by longtooth
Long drive Led but your welcome at our church.

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:50 pm
by ELB
Once upon a time, churches seemed to be much more......muscular:
Instead, it shows a 1619 statute that required everyone
to attend church on the Sabbath, “and all suche as
beare armes shall bring their pieces, swords,
pouder and shotte.� Those failing to bring their
guns were subject to a three-shilling fine.

“Proceedings of the Virginia Assembly, 1619,� in
Lyon Gardiner Tyler, Narratives of Early Virginia, 1606-1625 (New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1907;
reprinted New York: Barnes & Noble, 1959), 273
as cited in http://www.plagiary.org/why-footnotes-matter.pdf
elb

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:56 pm
by carlson1
ELB wrote:Once upon a time, churches seemed to be much more......muscular:
Instead, it shows a 1619 statute that required everyone
to attend church on the Sabbath, “and all suche as
beare armes shall bring their pieces, swords,
pouder and shotte.� Those failing to bring their
guns were subject to a three-shilling fine.

“Proceedings of the Virginia Assembly, 1619,� in
Lyon Gardiner Tyler, Narratives of Early Virginia, 1606-1625 (New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1907;
reprinted New York: Barnes & Noble, 1959), 273
as cited in http://www.plagiary.org/why-footnotes-matter.pdf
elb

No gun no entry. I like that.

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:14 am
by rb4browns
Sarah81 wrote:I go to a little country church that's basically in the middle of nowhere. It's right off a highway, but it's not a busy highway. Not much around there, but there could be all sorts of not-so-wonderful people on the road, passing by.

My pastor could not care less if we pack at church. If you can legally carry, then he's just fine with you bringing your gun. Our Bible study teacher does just that *grins* He got his plastic in the mail right around the time that I took my class. I don't know if anybody else in the church carries, though. It's not something that comes up very often.

Then again...there are some people in the congregation who would pass out and choke on their own outrage if they knew that people in the church are carrying. What they don't know can't hurt them. Might save their lives if something horrible happens, though.
I carry at my Synagogue. Those who need to know, know. With Islamo-fascists, neo-Nazis and assorted nutjobs aplenty out there, I count on prayer and my .38 to keep me safe.

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:52 am
by RPBrown
Don't tell LT and Carlson that they can't carry in their church.

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:12 am
by govnor
I heard about that situation in Fort Worth a few years ago where a guy came in and killed several church members. Even if I wasn't carrying, I'd feel comfortable knowing that some other people were.

It really depends on your church. If your pastor doesn't want you to, then look for another church or do what he says. That's my opinion since the pastor should be the last say in what goes on in the church. Church brings in some weirdos...that's just the nature of the game. My uncle is a pastor of a large church in Belton, TX. He and his wife both have CHLs and carry all the time. They're located right on I-35 and have had more than a few creeps walk in during the day that they felt uncomfortable with.

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:17 am
by carlson1
I carry and so do many of our Church people. I personally paid for my Church Secretary to go get her CHL. My wife is my personal secretary and she has her CHL. There are many many homeless, strange, etc. . . that come in during the day looking for helps. Luke 22:36 "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword (1911 in .45), let him sell his garment, and buy one." I even figure Jesus is for it. (Red Insert Is My Thought)

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:57 am
by Photoman
If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men.