Re: tactical shotgun
Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:45 pm
Same here in all, thanks for the info, and was right on my thinking.
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I wouldn't trust an expert that was not also a student. And your opinion is worth more than you charge for it.Skiprr wrote:But I'm just a student, not an expert. My opinion is worth just what you paid for it.
Thank you, GH. Very glad to see you back in these parts.GlockenHammer wrote:I wouldn't trust an expert that was not also a student. And your opinion is worth more than you charge for it.Skiprr wrote:But I'm just a student, not an expert. My opinion is worth just what you paid for it.
what do these lights look like i want onebrewster wrote:I've got two tactical shotguns: one Mossy 500 like yours and a Benelli supernova. After buying the Benelli, I put the checkered wood and the 28-inch barrel back on the Mossy for hunting. Like those above, I prefer the shotgun in answer to your question. After having the Benelli for a while (18" barrel) I think I have the tactical configuration that I like. This may not be for you, but may be for some, even if you have a different brand.
First, I got a shotshell rider for the stock. As much as I wanted a secured one, I hated to drill holes in the Benelli. I hot a nice flexible carrier from Dick's sporting goods, which is much better than the others I've seen in other stores. Second, I got some 3.5" mag 00 buck made by Remington. I haven't shot one of those yet; I hear those mag loads are a real handful in the tactical configuration. I'm sure I can handle it, though. Here's something to think about: those shells deliver 18 32-cal pellets around 1500 fps...it would be hard to lose a fight with that. Two shots and you've delivered more lead than a 30 round clip from an AK. Even if your gun only shoots up to 3" inch shells, I think you can still get at least 12 pellets in the load.
Get a mag extension...worth it. Get all the capacity you can without going past the barrel.
Last, get a flashlight holder for the mag extension. I got a great one from cheaper than dirt...it holds the light, plus has rails on three sides to attach stuff to. Now for the light. I've got streamlights, gun lights with pressure switches, etc. I recently changed. This sounds crazy, but I put a $15 flashlight from Sam's on the Benelli. Actually, it's a two pack for $30, and get this: they put out 150 lumens EACH. The use regular AAA batteries, and have a on off switch on the end. Perfect for the tactical configuration. Give 'er a try!
So in this configuration is the light either on or off, or is there some way to turn it on and off depending on the tactical situation?brewster wrote: Last, get a flashlight holder for the mag extension. I got a great one from cheaper than dirt...it holds the light, plus has rails on three sides to attach stuff to. Now for the light. I've got streamlights, gun lights with pressure switches, etc. I recently changed. This sounds crazy, but I put a $15 flashlight from Sam's on the Benelli. Actually, it's a two pack for $30, and get this: they put out 150 lumens EACH. The use regular AAA batteries, and have a on off switch on the end. Perfect for the tactical configuration. Give 'er a try!
No argument there.Skiprr wrote:Just to add another thought to GH's post, there is a reason SureFire and competing lights cost so much more. Kinda the ol' "you get what you pay for" thing.
Good advice. I've shot quite a bit through mine, and it's done fine. LED lights aren't quite as tempermental as the filiment bulbs. For starters, at $15 a pop, if it breaks, I won't be too upset. The only time where it would really matter is in a self-defense situation. Hopefully the light is as much of a deterrant as anything...that thing blinds you beyond belief. 150 lumens will have you seeing spots for several minutes. My 80 lumen SureFire will too, just for not as long. It all comes down to this: I have several guns that could use lights, and I can't drop $125 on each light. I also have backups for everything, whether it be a sidearm and an extra light, and they are in strategic places all over the house.Skiprr wrote:If you're going to mount a light on the fore-end of a 12 gauge, you want it to reliably withstand repeated recoil from 3" magnum rounds. Just me, but I would never trust a $15 light to that job. And if I chose to try it, I'd want to go out and shoot over a hundred rounds with the light in place and turned on to prove to myself that it could take the abuse and be reliable.
This is where everyone has to try things out and see. This flashlight is not the twist-on kind, it has a button on the end. I've found it comfortable to toggle on and off with my finger while holding the pump grip. There is a very slight click to the switch. If you position the mount correctly, it's not bad at all. I had a more expensive pressure-switch light on the SuperNova before, but hated it. Velcro coming off, cord flapping in the breeze, not very bright (maybe 50 lumens). This was a perfect compromise for me.Skiprr wrote:And more to what GH said: You don't want a constant-on light on a gun...maybe unless it's night vision IR. I've been taught that you don't use a light unless it can be toggled on and off without any change in grip on your gun, and preferrably be toggled silently. You use the light to identify your target, not to go exploring. Rapid on-and-off is critical.
When were you in the Corps and when were you with the Security Forces? I remember changing the composition of my entry teams to include two shotguns per team when I commanded the Security Force at Kings Bay because I believe in the force multiplier effect of a properly used shotgun.Nazrat wrote:I am a big shotgun defense fan.
While in the Corps in Security forces, we were trained to alternate 00 buck followed by slug. That way you have a slug ready as the 2nd shot. If you don't need it and want the buck, you just eject it. Just an idea that I use for my own defense.
Mine's still working fine...I'll ge sure to let you know when it quits. In the meantime, they are the best household flashlights around even if you don't want to put it anywhere near your gun.Mike1951 wrote:The answer was that it wouldn't take the recoil for long.