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G.C.Montgomery wrote: About 1 in every 50 rounds or Remington UMC "Yellow Box" ammo will fail to ignite in my Glocks.

I have been through about six 250 round boxes of the yellow box in .40 and have not had a FTF yet. Come to think of it the only FTF I have ever had was .22LRs, I just chuck them as far away as I can. I guess I am not shooting enough...

Skiprr wrote:

KaiserB wrote:Immediate action should be taken in the event of either a hangfire or misfire. Either can be caused by an ammunition defect or by a faulty firing mechanism. Any failure to fire must be considered a hangfire until that possibility is eliminated....

That section comes almost verbatim from chapter 4 of the Army's Field Manual FM 23-31, issued 1994. The only change in text is in line c.(1): Instead of reading "Keep the weapon pointed downrange..." the original reads, "Keep the M203 pointed downrange..." Because FM 23-31 deals with the 40mm grenade launcher.

You are correct... I plagiarized if from a website with excerpts from the Army field manual. My normal everyday writing skills are not that great :)

KaiserB wrote:You are correct... I plagiarized if from a website with excerpts from the Army field manual. My normal everyday writing skills are not that great :)

Buck-up, KaiserB.

You can be GREAT. We appreciate your contribution.

WildBill says,
"I agree with Skiprr that the procedure for Bullseye-type shooting and plinking as I described above will be different than for an experienced shooter engaging self defense competition and practice."

I hasten to admit that the competition shooting in my life has been bullseye shooting. I don't recall it having been said (I am going back almost 50 years), but I suspect I would have been cautioned that in combat one gets the weapon back into action as soon as possible, accepting any personal risk in doing so, as the risk in not doing so was much greater.

Having said that, I would have to observe that the same safety rule applied in combat training as on the target range. Maybe things are different today.

Jim

Skiprr wrote:The only problem I have with it is a message I've had beaten into me: Under the extreme stress of life-or-death encounter, you will not rise to the occasion. You will fall to the lowest common denominator: the level of your training.

I like to train as if I was in a fight so if a round goes off I go directly to my immediate action drills. I do that on my own practice and we were taught that at work too.

kd5zex wrote:

G.C.Montgomery wrote: About 1 in every 50 rounds or Remington UMC "Yellow Box" ammo will fail to ignite in my Glocks.

I have been through about six 250 round boxes of the yellow box in .40 and have not had a FTF yet. Come to think of it the only FTF I have ever had was .22LRs, I just chuck them as far away as I can. I guess I am not shooting enough...

I had a revolver that had that issue. You may check the firing pin for wear, or the springs. A gunsmith could tell you with a few quick measurements which is part is off a little.

KaiserB wrote:

kd5zex wrote:

G.C.Montgomery wrote: About 1 in every 50 rounds or Remington UMC "Yellow Box" ammo will fail to ignite in my Glocks.

I have been through about six 250 round boxes of the yellow box in .40 and have not had a FTF yet. Come to think of it the only FTF I have ever had was .22LRs, I just chuck them as far away as I can. I guess I am not shooting enough...

I had a revolver that had that issue. You may check the firing pin for wear, or the springs. A gunsmith could tell you with a few quick measurements which is part is off a little.

Normally I'd agree but I suspect there are probably some additional factors. I strongly suspect it could just as easily be my big hands impeding the slide just enough to prevent the slide from completely returning to battery. The reason I saw that is this is a pretty consistent behavior with my G19, 23, 34 and 35 that I never have with the 1911s, Sigs or HKs...Just the Glocks. The failed rounds show evidence of a light primer strike but, it only happens with the UMC brand of ammunition.

Speaking of hangfires and action drills, here's a report on the notoriously "click...........bang" Pakistani .303 (graphic images, language not suitable for this forum):

http://www.1919a4.com/forums/showthread ... adid=17478

Ouch!

I guess by deffinition that I have never had a hang fire. And the only mis fire I ever remember having is in a .22 rifle or pistol. I have fired thousands and thousands and thousands of center fire cartridges in all sorts of rifles and hand guns and never had a mis fire. But I do know it can happen. I don't shoot reloads or cheap ammo, maybe that helps. I shoot at Texas City a lot and in fact I'll be there tomorrow. I'll speak with the range master about it because I don't know of any provisions that have been provided.

Our range has a heavy steel lockbox mounted about mid-range to deposit duds.

I have no idea how they dispose of them when removed.

Best thing I do if I have a dud which is very seldom is I pull the bullet down,if it's a rifle bullet I use pliers and pry side to side to loosen the crimp then pull the bullet out of case if it's a pistol bullet I use an inertia bullet puller,If the brass is good I just reload it with a fresh primer

Also guys, if you have ammo that you want to dispose of because you aren't sure if you want to shoot it or not, please don't dump it in the trash or in the canal. It makes us gun owners look bad and it's a waste of resources that can be put to better use.

Taking it to the PD isn't going to get anything done because we sometimes have PD here in Pasadena that bring us boxes of ammo to dispose of. What we do with the ammo goes as follows:

Ammunition deemed safe and suitable to fire is used normally

Ammunition deemd UNSAFE to fire has the bullet pulled and the powder dumped (the nitrogen rich powder makes great fertilizer for grass and such). Then we sort out the brass cased ammo from all the others and sell it to a scrap dealer. Aluminum and steel casings aren't worth a whole lot by the pound so one of my co-workers uses it to pave the driveway on his family ranch.

yahoshua wrote:(the nitrogen rich powder makes great fertilizer for grass and such).

yahoshua - I disagree with this part of your post. Gunpowder is "nitrogen rich", but not the type that is readily available to plants. I think that burning it is a safer and better option. At least, I hope my Scott's Turf Builder isn't made from recycled nitrocellulose and nitroglycerin.

It's should be fine to dispose of powder this way.

If you're worried about the powder igniting (which isn't all that high a chance unless you're throwing your cigarette ashes onto the lawn right after you dumped the powder) you can wet the powder down or burn small amounts of it at a time and then throw throw it into some mulch.