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I am going to vote for McCain to insure that my vote counts against the socalist ideals of Obama. I don't agree with McCain on all the issues, but I sure don't agree with anything Obama supports.
I would encourage everyone with even the least amount of concern for the 2nd Amendment and all the other amendments to vote for McCain. I would like to be safe and not sorry. Alot of misinformed people have no idea of the destruction that could be unleashed in an Obama presidency. It would take generations to recover, if recovery would even be possible. With the left trying to push us to socialism/communisim, trying to make a stance at this point and vote liberterian is a losing battle and will cost us more than we could gain. Maybe at some point a third party vote may work, but at this time there is just too much at stake.

KBCraig wrote:

Skiprr wrote:A vote for Barr is a vote for Obama.

This is simply not true, unless the voter would have voted for McCain instead of Barr.

Sorry for the absence. I've been spending all my non-employee, non-Ike-restoration hours volunteering for McCain/Palin.

You're absolutely correct, Kevin, that on an individual basis "a vote for Barr is a vote for Obama" is not true.

My point, however, was that we have a two-party race. That's simply the way it is.

A vote for Barr or Paul is asinine. If you do so, you're casting your valuable Second Amendment vote into the wind.

We have two choices, Obama or McCain. Any vote for other than one of these two candidates does dilute the vote. The odds are absolutely zero that an independent candidate will win the presidency. And sending a "message" by vote should have been done during nominations, not on November 4.

The Electoral College (almost) always follows the popular vote within a given state. In 2000, New Mexico declared for Al Gore with less than a 1,000 popular-vote margin. Scary, huh?

Texas is not in the bag.


But heck, the polls show that Obama will win handily. A single, individual vote really doesn't count for anything, does it?

A vote for Bob Barr or Ron Paul? What difference does it make?

We all might as well stay home, sit on the couch, and watch TV.

Why make the effort to get in the car and go out and vote?

Skiprr wrote:You're absolutely correct, Kevin, that on an individual basis "a vote for Barr is a vote for Obama" is not true.

My point, however, was that we have a two-party race. That's simply the way it is.

A vote for Barr or Paul is asinine. If you do so, you're casting your valuable Second Amendment vote into the wind.

I like the way another candidate put it:

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But, back to the "he cannot win" argument: to vote for John McCain is to vote for a man who cannot win. Yes, I am saying it here and now: John McCain cannot win this election. The handwriting is on the wall. The Fat Lady is singing. It is all over. Finished. John McCain cannot win.

With only three weeks before the election, Barack Obama is pulling away. McCain has already pulled his campaign out of Michigan. In other key battleground states, McCain is slipping fast. He was ahead in Missouri; now it is a toss-up or leaning to Obama. A couple of weeks ago, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida were all leaning towards McCain, or at least toss-up states. Now, they are all leaning to Obama. Even the longtime GOP bellwether state of Indiana is moving toward Obama. In addition, new voter registrations are at an all-time high, and few of them are registering as Republicans. In fact, the Republican Party now claims only around 25% of the electorate, and Independents are increasingly leaning toward Obama.

Ladies and gentlemen, Barack Obama is headed for an electoral landslide victory over John McCain. John McCain can no more beat Barack Obama than Bob Dole could beat Bill Clinton.

I ask, therefore, Are not conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain guilty of the same thing that they accuse people who vote for third party candidates of doing? Are they not voting for someone who cannot win? Indeed, they are. In fact, conservatives and Christians who vote for John McCain are not only voting for a man who cannot win, they are voting for a man who does not share their own beliefs and principles. If this is not insanity, nothing is!

So, why not (for once in your life, perhaps) cast a vote purely for principle!
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As John Quincy Adams said, "Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost."




A vote based on who can win is "wasted" on anyone except the winner. Second place is the first among losers. A vote for the second loser, or third loser, is no more "wasted" than a vote for the first loser.

Skiprr wrote:
A vote for Barr or Paul is asinine. If you do so, you're casting your valuable Second Amendment vote into the wind.

We have two choices, Obama or McCain. Any vote for other than one of these two candidates does dilute the vote. The odds are absolutely zero that an independent candidate will win the presidency. And sending a "message" by vote should have been done during nominations, not on November 4.

The Electoral College (almost) always follows the popular vote within a given state. In 2000, New Mexico declared for Al Gore with less than a 1,000 popular-vote margin. Scary, huh?

Texas is not in the bag.


But heck, the polls show that Obama will win handily. A single, individual vote really doesn't count for anything, does it?

A vote for Bob Barr or Ron Paul? What difference does it make?

We all might as well stay home, sit on the couch, and watch TV.

Why make the effort to get in the car and go out and vote?

I don't know where you are getting your information but all polls indicate that McCain has Texas in the bag. The latest poll Shows McCain at 57% and Obama at 38%. I concider 20% margin 3 weeks before the election "in the bag" Any suggestion that McCain could lose Texas because a few voters actually vote Libertarian or Constitution party is pure nonsense. We, the believers in real freedom, deserve to be heard . The Republican party doesn't represent us anymore and they need to understand that some of us have had enough and that when they give us Guys like John McCain we will no longer support them. They will just continue to feed as garbage as long as we continue and accept their garbage.

Skiprr wrote:We all might as well stay home, sit on the couch, and watch TV. Why make the effort to get in the car and go out and vote?

Skip,

It's so important that we all go out and vote rather than staying home because we think the election is already over. While the Democrats have registered millions of new voters, a good percentage will not make it to the polls. I agree that Texas will not likely go to BHO, but in the swing states it could make a real difference.

Tom

tbranch wrote:

Skiprr wrote:We all might as well stay home, sit on the couch, and watch TV. Why make the effort to get in the car and go out and vote?

Skip,

It's so important that we all go out and vote rather than staying home because we think the election is already over. While the Democrats have registered millions of new voters, a good percentage will not make it to the polls. I agree that Texas will not likely go to BHO, but in the swing states it could make a real difference.

Tom

I believe a more important reason to get out and vote is because of county and state offices, these guys typically effect us more in our day to day lives Than the president will.

Liberty wrote:I don't know where you are getting your information but all polls indicate that McCain has Texas in the bag. The latest poll Shows McCain at 57% and Obama at 38%. I concider 20% margin 3 weeks before the election "in the bag" Any suggestion that McCain could lose Texas because a few voters actually vote Libertarian or Constitution party is pure nonsense. We, the believers in real freedom, deserve to be heard . The Republican party doesn't represent us anymore and they need to understand that some of us have had enough and that when they give us Guys like John McCain we will no longer support them. They will just continue to feed as garbage as long as we continue and accept their garbage.

Aside from agreeing with you, let me just say that if McCain doesn't have Texas in the bag, then he's so totally hosed in the rest of the country that Texas won't matter.

Heck, even if it's just a close race in Texas, he's done for.