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Re: An alarming glimpse into the future

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:37 am
by anygunanywhere
The Annoyed Man wrote:I suspect that the draft is/was defended on a basis of national security.
No rights must ever be taken/infringed/usurped/eliminated for "national security".

Anygunanywhere

Re: An alarming glimpse into the future

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:46 am
by John
Anyone have a clue as to what this means?

http://change.gov/agenda/faith/
In June of 2006, Senator Obama delivered what was called the most important speech on religion and politics in 40 years. Speaking before an evangelical audience, Senator Obama candidly discussed his own religious conversion and doubts, and the need for a deeper, more substantive discussion about the role of faith in American life.

Senator Obama also laid down principles for how to discuss faith in a pluralistic society, including the need for religious people to translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values during public debate. In December, 2006, Senator Obama discussed the importance of faith in the global battle against AIDS.
It reads as a universal, state, religion to me. You can maintain your religion, but NOT your religion-specific values. Help! Help! I'm being repressed. :cryin

Re: An alarming glimpse into the future

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:03 am
by longtooth
It is not repression John. You are feeling the first pains of Christian persecution.

Re: An alarming glimpse into the future

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:08 am
by Liberty
John wrote:Anyone have a clue as to what this means?

http://change.gov/agenda/faith/
In June of 2006, Senator Obama delivered what was called the most important speech on religion and politics in 40 years. Speaking before an evangelical audience, Senator Obama candidly discussed his own religious conversion and doubts, and the need for a deeper, more substantive discussion about the role of faith in American life.

Senator Obama also laid down principles for how to discuss faith in a pluralistic society, including the need for religious people to translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values during public debate. In December, 2006, Senator Obama discussed the importance of faith in the global battle against AIDS.
It reads as a universal, state, religion to me. You can maintain your religion, but NOT your religion-specific values. Help! Help! I'm being repressed. :cryin
I don't see anywhere in that article where he is advocating a state religion. He merely claims that religion has a place in American lives. Hardly profound or revealing. Typically Obaman, well spun words that mean nothing.

Re: An alarming glimpse into the future

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:10 am
by John
longtooth wrote:It is not repression John. You are feeling the first pains of Christian persecution.

as the original title posts says... "an alarming glimpse into the future".

Re: An alarming glimpse into the future

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 10:41 am
by KBCraig
KD5NRH wrote:
boomerang wrote:Interstate commerce. In-state commerce. What's the difference?
Since Wickard v Filburn, it even applies to non-commerce.
A heinous concept re-affirmed in 2005's Gonzalez v. Raich.

Instead of growing and consuming his own wheat (like Filburn), Raich grew and consumed his own marijuana. He was legal under state law.

Re: An alarming glimpse into the future

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 12:32 pm
by phoneguy
longtooth wrote:It is not repression John. You are feeling the first pains of Christian persecution.
I see a charismatic, smooth talking politician, who works crowds into emotional frenzies by telling them that all their problems are the fault of a few specific groups. After being elected, starts taking steps to restrict or remove the rights of opposition parties, and enacts laws that serve to consolidate and increase his hold on power. 1933, 2008. I fear for this country, my religious home of Israel, my own religion (Judaism), and my Christian friends. Once Barry the Annointed One reinstates the Fairness Doctrine, only this time in law, not just an administrative policy of the FCC, he will have full control of a sycophantic media. Once his congressional lackeys gut the Second Ammendment, taxing ammunition out of existence, a new AWB, purchase limits, biometric controls, etc, and eliminating private transactions, he will be able to use his domestic stormtrooper army, nullifiying the Posse Comitatus Act to control us serfs. By signing the Employee Free Choice Act, he will increase the size and strength of Unions, by bullying workers into membership, giving him more financial resources and support. Welcome to the Brave New World.

United States of America

July 4, 1776 - January 20, 2009

RIP

Re: An alarming glimpse into the future

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 1:26 pm
by pedalman
bridge wrote:Thank you sir, may I have another?
Why, yes. You may, Rob.
Church Lady to Rob Lowe

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Re: An alarming glimpse into the future

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 6:28 pm
by stevie_d_64
I think we are in big time trouble...

Re: An alarming glimpse into the future

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:27 pm
by bryang
:iagree: VERY big trouble. :eek6

-geo

Re: An alarming glimpse into the future

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:32 pm
by flb_78
Russell wrote:Don't mess with my financial aid. I would not be able to afford school if I didn't have it, and we make up for it and then some in the end when we bail out companies to the tune of 750 billion dollars.
I would have to say to this that it's not the government's responsibility to make sure you can go to school. Since the Feds started giving student aid, the cost of education has sky rocketed, kinda like how when they guaranteed home loans, the housing market skyrocketed.

Re: An alarming glimpse into the future

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 7:45 pm
by boomerang
That's why I support the student loan programs. It's win-win if you earn more money and the taxpayers aren't out too much if you go work at Starbucks.

Re: An alarming glimpse into the future

Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 8:49 pm
by bridge
boomerang wrote:That's why I support the student loan programs. It's win-win if you earn more money and the taxpayers aren't out too much if you go work at Starbucks.
Agreed. Luckily I didn't have to use any (Mom and Pop scholarship), but I had plenty of friends that used them and still ended up $50 to $60K in the hole at graduation. Seeing what has happened to many of my friends and my wife who didn't choose the college option I can see why most would fight to assure any gov't assistance.

It's tough out there, but its sometimes unforgiving without that little piece of paper.