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i've seen this video before but didn't notice this until my CHL instructor pointed it out when he showed it to our class. not only did he not notice the magazine was loaded when he locked the slide back, but after he shot himself he set the gun down on the table, STILL LOADED, and the teacher proceeded to pick it up and carry it around the room. this could have ended up even worse if she'd accidentally put her finger on the trigger.

I'm glad no one other than the idiot himself was injured during this incident.

That being said, I never get tired of seeing that video. lol He just carries on so calm and collected like nothing happened, immediately after putting a .40 S&W round into his leg.

bigred90gt wrote:He just carries on so calm and collected like nothing happened, immediately after putting a .40 S&W round into his leg.

That is being cool.

WildBill wrote:

bigred90gt wrote:He just carries on so calm and collected like nothing happened, immediately after putting a .40 S&W round into his leg.

That is being cool.

Considering the mental acuity involved in firing the round into his leg in the first place, it may simply be that the 64K processor between his left ear and his right was having trouble chugging through an incoming 3 gigabytes of "OUCH".

Excaliber wrote:Considering the mental acuity involved in firing the round into his leg in the first place, it may simply be that the 64K processor between his left ear and his right was having trouble chugging through an incoming 3 gigabytes of "OUCH".

Okay. That's a keeper, and the of the day award.

It's not the first accidental discharge in a training situation.

This wasn't a "training" event, it was a presentation. Some training events certainly carry inherent and acceptable risk factors, however, a simple presentation to a classroom of school kids should carry NO risk to the students. Period.

This discharge occurred because either:

A. The team failed to set the conditions needed for safety prior to entering the classroom.
-There are countless safety measures / checks and approaches that could have been used to negate the ability of display / handled weapons to discharge.

B. The agent that discharged the firearm failed to set the conditions for safety before pulling the trigger.
-Regardless of whether the team established any safety measures / checks prior to entering the classroom, it is the
responsibility of the individual to verify the hot/cold status of a firearm as the final safety check.

C. All of the above.

IMO, the entire team is negligent and should have faced disciplinary action, however, the shooter himself displayed negligence bordering almost on the criminal.


The "professional" embarrassment this individual received as a result of the released video is a small price to pay considering that his unprofessional and negligent actions could have resulted in maiming / killing an innocent school kid. The utter negligence he displayed in that classroom leads me to believe that he is an individual accustomed to negligence, and citizens are better off without him being a member of any armed profession.

rmr1923 wrote:i've seen this video before but didn't notice this until my CHL instructor pointed it out when he showed it to our class. not only did he not notice the magazine was loaded when he locked the slide back, but after he shot himself he set the gun down on the table, STILL LOADED, and the teacher proceeded to pick it up and carry it around the room. this could have ended up even worse if she'd accidentally put her finger on the trigger.

I hadn't paid any attention to the teach or whoever that was before, so I watched it again. I think it looks like she actually clears the gun before taking it back to the table to make sure he doesn't shoot himself again with his "empty" gun.

Life is tough, but its tougher when you're stupid.
John Wayne

I bet the Duke would have had a few more words for this idiot.

Excaliber wrote:

WildBill wrote:

bigred90gt wrote:He just carries on so calm and collected like nothing happened, immediately after putting a .40 S&W round into his leg.

That is being cool.

Considering the mental acuity involved in firing the round into his leg in the first place, it may simply be that the 64K processor between his left ear and his right was having trouble chugging through an incoming 3 gigabytes of "OUCH".

I agree the DEA guy was not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but that may not have had anything to do with his ability to walk around and act like nothing happened - at first.

I was the initial first responder to an acquaintance (and cop) who inadvertently shot himself through the thigh with a .40 Gold Dot. He initially thought he had just booboo'd into the floor, but when he looked to see how much damage to the floor he caused, he saw the bullet laying there, fully expanded. That was his first indication he had shot himself. Subsequently he found two holes in his thigh, but not much blood and it didn't hurt. He said he actually thought about not telling anyone and just trying to "walk it off." (Probably cruel, but me and the other first responder laughed at him at this point). It wasn't until a few minutes later that the pain and swelling started, and he realized he had to call 911.

He was miserable for awhile, but he recovered just fine.

[quoteIt's not the first accidental discharge in a training situation.] [/quote]

That was an ND, not an AD. He appears to have violated all 3 basic rules of gun safety.

He's a poster child for a bumper sticker I say that said "stupidity should be punished".

ELB wrote:

Excaliber wrote:

WildBill wrote:

bigred90gt wrote:He just carries on so calm and collected like nothing happened, immediately after putting a .40 S&W round into his leg.

That is being cool.

Considering the mental acuity involved in firing the round into his leg in the first place, it may simply be that the 64K processor between his left ear and his right was having trouble chugging through an incoming 3 gigabytes of "OUCH".

I agree the DEA guy was not the brightest bulb in the chandelier, but that may not have had anything to do with his ability to walk around and act like nothing happened - at first.

I was the initial first responder to an acquaintance (and cop) who inadvertently shot himself through the thigh with a .40 Gold Dot. He initially thought he had just booboo'd into the floor, but when he looked to see how much damage to the floor he caused, he saw the bullet laying there, fully expanded. That was his first indication he had shot himself. Subsequently he found two holes in his thigh, but not much blood and it didn't hurt. He said he actually thought about not telling anyone and just trying to "walk it off." (Probably cruel, but me and the other first responder laughed at him at this point). It wasn't until a few minutes later that the pain and swelling started, and he realized he had to call 911.

He was miserable for awhile, but he recovered just fine.

My comment wasn't intended as a medical observation, but as a tongue in cheek bit of IT humor at the expense of someone who richly deserved it.

Depending on the bullet's path through the body and the individual's level of excitement, consciousness, and self anesthetization at the time, I know it's not at all unusual for someone to not visibly react to being shot, and even not to realize he has been shot at all. The Houston jeweler who was shot 4 times during a high intensity firefight with 3 bandits finished the firefight by dominating all of his opponents and walked outside before noticing his injuries.

I often wondered if his reaction or non-reaction to the pain was partly because he was an ex-pro football player. Those guys get hit and knocked down and get right back up and go on playing.

I first saw this in my CHL class actually.

It was stunning. The class was shocked. This stuff CAN and will (given the right combination of variables if not paying attention) happen. Young DEA agent addressing a class... then shock.

When it comes to firearms, we just can't get complacent.

Sure we've cleaned our firearms a million times; check it again.

Then this guy, re-holstering....
Keep that finger off the trigger until the very moment you need it.
We know it. Heck, he "knew it" I'm sure.

No complacency.

This guy being DEA... wow.

I've watched the vid quite a few times.
Still trying to figure out how it happened.
The slide was locked back at one point. When he dropped the slide, there must have been a loaded mag in the pistol (or possibly a loose round in the chamber, which makes very little sense, but possible), and no one noticed that there was ammo in the gun?

Not to mention that if he'd treated every gun as if it was loaded, kept it pointed in a safe direction, or kept his finger off the trigger . . . any ONE of those safety rules would have prevented this. He had to break at least three of the four basic rules in order to shoot himself.

You try to make things foolproof and the world keeps breeding better fools.

"I'm the only one in this room qualified to carry this weapon.....BANG..."

This video just re-enforces the need to remember basic firearm safety.