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draw, place it in my lap, when the time is right give 'em 230 grains of Federal goodness. if they are frisking they are gong to get your gun anyway.

If they didnt come to my table first. I would see if they are frisking people. If they are I put my hand on my gun and wait for them to get close to my table AND close proximity to each other. This would limit the time it takes to move from target A to target B. Also I would try to wait for them to get a clear space behind them so the chance of the bullet going thru and hitting a patron is limited. But the chances for all of that to happen at once is slim. If they are not frisking it kinda throws everything off. Why not just give them what they ask for and get out alive? Whats to say that they arent gonna shoot someone just to do it? Its one of those things that you dont really know til your there and you pray your never there.

Having a gun pointed in your face isn't enough of a percieved threat to defend yourself? I know it sure is for me. Drop to one knee and shoot up or something. It's not enough just to give your stuff up these days, its possible you will still be shot. I bet just a shot in their direction would be enough to run them off?

Aggie_engr wrote:Having a gun pointed in your face isn't enough of a percieved threat to defend yourself? I know it sure is for me. Drop to one knee and shoot up or something. It's not enough just to give your stuff up these days, its possible you will still be shot. I bet just a shot in their direction would be enough to run them off?

And the people that you are dinning with. What about them?

Liberty wrote:

Aggie_engr wrote:Having a gun pointed in your face isn't enough of a percieved threat to defend yourself? I know it sure is for me. Drop to one knee and shoot up or something. It's not enough just to give your stuff up these days, its possible you will still be shot. I bet just a shot in their direction would be enough to run them off?

And the people that you are dinning with. What about them?

They should have their own weapon.

Dan

In an situation like this, what would happen if you shot one of them in the back?

I mean they are robbing folks at gunpoint, wouldn't your life be in danger?

When one of them or both depending on how they are working are at the table across from you would you be justified in shooting them?

It would seem dumb to wait till they where standing in front of you with a gun in your face to feel endangered.

Just curious.

I would feel my life was in danger if this was occuring.

Pete wrote:I mean they are robbing folks at gunpoint, wouldn't your life be in danger?

Irrelevant; they're committing aggravated robbery, and deadly force is justified to stop that.

It's interesting how many people in here consider a hunter mishandling his deer rifle at the gunstore a threat to life and limb, but want to wait and see when a violent criminal is intentionally pointing a gun at someone and threatening them.

Agreed. A Felonious threat of deadly force justifies a reciprocal action. The only question in this instance is when to take that action.

AEA wrote:Agreed. A Felonious threat of deadly force justifies a reciprocal action. The only question in this instance is when to take that action.

As I see it all the good guys got out with no additional holes. This situation wasn't going to end up much better than it did. It could have gone a lot worse. I personally wouldn't fear for myself as much as I would be for those I was with. As I see it 2 men with guns are going to make some holes in people in a crowded restaurant once the shooting begins. Most of us don't dine alone. The people that I dine with so not pack. I would assume that shooting rapidly at both targets at least one of them would be able to get shots off meaning that either I or my dinner companions would likely be shot. I suppose one should be prepared to shoot if there is an opportunity. But the 2 to one odds in a crowded restaurant has a lot going against it. None of us were there and we really don't know what opportunitys there were to take the offence. Its just that I don't see a lot of opportunity.

This incident struck a little close to home for me. I was returning from a trip Friday with my wife and SIL I was unarmed. We stopped and dined at a place on Westhiemer. There was a lot of police activity 1/2 block down when we left. Turns out this incident was 10 miles down the road , but makes you think. Makes me realize I don't like going out without a gun.

In an situation like this, what would happen if you shot one of them in the back? I mean they are robbing folks at gunpoint, wouldn't your life be in danger?

The FBI opined recently the killing of perpetrator during a felony crime such as robbery is a justifiable homicide.

I'm inclined to think the DA for Harris County, TX would agree with the FBI on this point.

In this particular incident, the risk of injury to innocent parties if shooting erupts seemingly outweighs the benefits of eliminating the two threats.

Of course if any shooting does break out, then all bets are off. And shame on anybody who by then can't defend themselves after having voluntarily and with aforethought entered an environment where they know or should have known this kind of thing can go down, as the cops say, at any moment. Like this:
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Unbelievable...another one. Houston is getting out of control in a big way.

I'm all for shooting, in as safe a way as possible. I'd rather have a second's edge than wait to react once they start shooting... and you never know if today's the day they want a little more adrenaline. Call it my own personal fantasy, but I like to believe that being shot / having their friend shot will likely cause shock as opposed to immediate return fire. Granted, I'm betting on them being punks, not ex-Marines. Not saying they won't get a shot off, but I am saying it'd be too late for them either way.

Gah, Sheeple. As for the guy robbing people with an empty shotgun, my first though would be to beat him with it. So kind of him to show me it was unloaded. My second thought would be that he could have a knife...

I do sometimes write posts and then don't post them because upon a quick reading I find myself sounding almost bloodthirsty. This truly is not my intention, but I have friends in Katy / Sugarland who refuse to get guns even though I send them every single one of these stories. Injustice committed against the helpless (mentally, not just unarmed - these girls probably couldn't shoot to "stop" with their eyes open if they had to).

Folks seem to think using deadly force in these circumstances should not be an issue legally.

Folks also seem to say this went well (based on how it ended), and using deadly force would not have been a good idea with some many folks in the resturant.

Not to be blood thirsty, but I can think of one better outcome. Been then the whole debate over human life being worth more than the contents of a wallet begins.

Just seems hard to figure out the exact moment before things go bad and the bad guys start shooting.

Hope it is a call I will never have to make.

I know I have been traveling to IDPA matchs with some people and our whole table was well armed as we sat eating. You never know who you might try and rob...

This whole scenario reminds me of the scene in Pulp Fiction where John Travolta and Samuel L. Jackson are eating breakfast towards the end of the movie.

My wife sometimes wonders why I carry just about everywhere we go (of course, most of the time, she doesn't know if I'm carrying or not). Hopefully stories like these helps her understand why I do. After all, she does work near Hwy. 6 and Westpark Drive.

Your best shot is to wait for them to be right next to you so you do not miss and start a shootout in a crowded location.