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Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 8:41 pm
by ElGato
Hat's in the house?
Old time West Texas rule, if there is no hat rack just loosen it up or push it back off your forehead.
I think Bum Phillips is from East Texas.
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 9:14 pm
by Kalrog
gigag04 wrote:Charles L. Cotton wrote:
I hope you guys understand that as a member of the NRA Board of Directors, I cannot comment on this issue, as I must be cognizant that anything I say may be viewed in my official capacity as a representative of the NRA, and not merely an expression of my personal opinion.
Chas.
Very wise. Oh well

I agree - very wise. The flip side of that statement is that we must then assume that this "personal" statment from this other member must also be taken in the same light and viewed as an official position of the NRA.
Sorry, just playing Devil's Advocate here...
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:19 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
one eyed fatman wrote:propellerhead wrote:He stated it was his personal opinion.
If he's being paid to represent the NRA his personal views should be the same as the NRA's. If his views are different then he's in the wrong job.
NRA Board members are not paid. In fact, I work about 150 to 200 hours a year for the NRA and I have lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in billings since 2001 that could have been generated by working for paying clients.
I'm not offering this for any purpose other than to reassure people that NRA Directors are not paid for their service.
Regards,
Chas.
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:24 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
Kalrog wrote:gigag04 wrote:Charles L. Cotton wrote:
I hope you guys understand that as a member of the NRA Board of Directors, I cannot comment on this issue, as I must be cognizant that anything I say may be viewed in my official capacity as a representative of the NRA, and not merely an expression of my personal opinion.
Chas.
Very wise. Oh well

I agree - very wise. The flip side of that statement is that we must then assume that this "personal" statment from this other member must also be taken in the same light and viewed as an official position of the NRA.
Sorry, just playing Devil's Advocate here...
It absolutely isn't the NRA's position, as is evidenced by our successful efforts to prevent reauthorization of the assault weapons ban. But you are reading between the lines of my response - as I thought many would.
Chas.
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:32 pm
by Kalrog
Charles L. Cotton wrote:It absolutely isn't the NRA's position, as is evidenced by our successful efforts to prevent reauthorization of the assault weapons ban. But you are reading between the lines of my response - as I thought many would.
Chas.
It is the opinion of THIS NRA member (and only this member) that I don't want someone with that view point representing me in 2A matters... Nothing about a 10 round limit makes sense and it should not be promoted on a personal or an organization level.
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:59 pm
by KBCraig
Charles L. Cotton wrote:gigag04 wrote:<~~~~~~~~ anxiously awaiting Chas' response.
I hope you guys understand that as a member of the NRA Board of Directors, I cannot comment on this issue, as I must be cognizant that anything I say may be viewed in my official capacity as a representative of the NRA, and not merely an expression of my personal opinion.
Chas.
I think this contrast in stances (or non-stance, in Chas.'s case.

) shows the value of having 75 members on the BoD. It lessens the negative impact when someone who isn't a professional politician or speaker, opens his mouth and says something he shouldn't. If there are two or three major national figures running the organization, then a misstep could be fatal. When it's just one voice among dozens, it's not as dangerous.
Kevin
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 1:17 pm
by KD5NRH
Charles L. Cotton wrote:KD5NRH wrote:
Then can you comment on the rudeness of wearing one's hat indoors? I thought at least the NRA would push for some rules of decorum among its board members.
Huh?
Chas.
There was a time, not too long ago, when any man without the simple decency to take his hat off in certain situations would be seen as grossly uncouth. Some of us have noticed that it's still a good gauge of a man's respect for others. Anyone who keeps his hat on indoors, especially at the table, or when addressing a lady or mixed crowd, is, IMO, implying that his vanity is more important to him than his host or audience. Certain uniforms, and of course, protective equipment are exceptions when the situation dictates, but I just can't take anyone seriously who tries so hard to play up the John Wayne/Roy Rogers/Gene Autry/etc "white hat cowboy" image without bothering to demonstrate the good manners that were integral to their characters.
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 2:20 pm
by gigag04
KD5NRH wrote:There was a time, not too long ago, when any man without the simple decency to take his hat off in certain situations would be seen as grossly uncouth.
There sure was...but times are a changing. I regularly wear a hat, but many would call it a "baseball cap." I wear it indoors (not church) and in mixed company with hat racks present. I even wear it when speaking with ladies.
I assure you this is not a flame, but just to bring out that it is not considered rude anymore to do so for many people. I kind of feel like this is a straw man just to continue picking on the guy. Let's keep this gun related and discuss/disagree with his goofy stances on mag capacity and other 2A issues.
kind regards,
-nick
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 12:20 am
by Flatland2D
I don't get why everyone is so upset. A gun with 5 rounds in the mag is only half as likely to be used in a crime than a gun with 10 rounds. It's just simple math.

Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 7:25 am
by Charles L. Cotton
Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 7:36 am
by Charles L. Cotton
After re-reading this thread, I think I may have tried to be a little too cute and criptive, so let me explain.
I don't feel I can comment on the fact that another NRA Director said or did something; that's a matter for the Board to address or not address, as a body.
I think perhaps some folks took my comment to mean I can't comment on the 10 round mag portion of the Assault Weapons Ban and that's not what I meant at all. So, just to be on the safe side, I am absolutely against every aspect of the Assault Weapons Ban, including any limitation on mag. capacity. Over the years since 1994, I've made this position clear in many of my posts on various forums and news groups, as well as in interviews as an NRA Board member since my first election. During the period in 2004 when the Assault Weapons Ban re-authorization was being pushed in Washington, I got almost weekly reports on the progress of efforts to kill it.
Sorry if I confused anyone.
Chas.
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:36 pm
by therooster
i can understand if you cant comment on this question Mr. Cotton:
why would the NRA allow one to be a BoD Member when ones personal (which is "official") opinion differs greatly from the opinion of the whole/organization?
thats what i'm confused about...
Posted: Tue May 16, 2006 1:58 pm
by Charles L. Cotton
Sorry Rooster, but that's the part I cannot comment on. NRA Board policy and actions are not appropriate for comment by any individual Director.
I'm not trying to be cryptic here; I simply have neither the authority nor the right to comment, in my official capacity as an NRA Board member.
Regards,
Chas.
Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 11:26 pm
by Photoman
Charles L. Cotton wrote:gigag04 wrote:<~~~~~~~~ anxiously awaiting Chas' response.
I hope you guys understand that as a member of the NRA Board of Directors, I cannot comment on this issue, as I must be cognizant that anything I say may be viewed in my official capacity as a representative of the NRA, and not merely an expression of my personal opinion.
Chas.
Only a lawyer could give a non-response with so much response.
