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CainA wrote:

MojoTexas wrote:...ALWAYS double-check.....The only way it goes off is that you were pointing it at something while.....

yep...and...

Triple, quadruple and still don't point it at anything you don't want the bullet to hit...

and

You usually have to pull the trigger...for it to go bang, but there are probably weird instances where you don't have to pull the trigger.

-Cain

Who cleans a gun in their car?
Some folks will do it at the range, most at home. Sounds like she was playing with it.

People pull the trigger on a Glock too disassemble it.

Liberty wrote:

CainA wrote:

MojoTexas wrote:...ALWAYS double-check.....The only way it goes off is that you were pointing it at something while.....

yep...and...

Triple, quadruple and still don't point it at anything you don't want the bullet to hit...

and

You usually have to pull the trigger...for it to go bang, but there are probably weird instances where you don't have to pull the trigger.

-Cain

Who cleans a gun in their car?
Some folks will do it at the range, most at home. Sounds like she was playing with it.

People pull the trigger on a Glock too disassemble it.

I think a lot of these 'cleaning' incidents are actually folks just wiping the outside of the gun down with a cloth and maybe a little oil. As they move the gun around wiping it, they end up getting their finger on the trigger or cloth caught in the trigger and BANG!

Keith B wrote:I think a lot of these 'cleaning' incidents are actually folks just wiping the outside of the gun down with a cloth and maybe a little oil. As they move the gun around wiping it, they end up getting their finger on the trigger or cloth caught in the trigger and BANG!

Yeah, I can understand wiping off smudges and fingerprints, but I always unload my pistols first. Safety first.

Bingo!

I think a lot of these 'cleaning' incidents are actually folks just wiping the outside of the gun down with a cloth and maybe a little oil. As they move the gun around wiping it, they end up getting their finger on the trigger or cloth caught in the trigger and BANG!

Although your explanation makes sense on the surface- I don't agree with that, and here is why. A single action has a safety and a double action usually has a 6-10 lb trigger, with a long pull. Just how much pressure does it take with an oily rag to remove a fingerprint??

And if you clean (wipe) a loaded gun, that you didn't just load to clean, there shouldn't be a fingerprint on the trigger.

The only accidents in these scenarios is that the original intention was probably not to shoot someone. Sad.

I think the reason we hear so many stories about guns discharging while being cleaned is that when told to the masses, 90% takes the bait. Hook line and sinker. Another 5% swallow the bobber too.

So, basically, stupidity can be easily concealed by calling it "an accident"

KD5NRH wrote:

HKUSP45C wrote:I suppose it's theoretically possible that I could get the cloth hung in the triggerguard and discharge the gun doing that, but unless there's somebody laying on the floor that I'm having to step over, the worst that would happen would be hitting my own leg or foot.

Idk about you, but hitting my own leg or foot still seems like a really bad option:
http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_F ... ge#p257430

flechero wrote:

I think a lot of these 'cleaning' incidents are actually folks just wiping the outside of the gun down with a cloth and maybe a little oil. As they move the gun around wiping it, they end up getting their finger on the trigger or cloth caught in the trigger and BANG!

Although your explanation makes sense on the surface- I don't agree with that, and here is why. A single action has a safety and a double action usually has a 6-10 lb trigger, with a long pull. Just how much pressure does it take with an oily rag to remove a fingerprint??

And if you clean (wipe) a loaded gun, that you didn't just load to clean, there shouldn't be a fingerprint on the trigger.

The only accidents in these scenarios is that the original intention was probably not to shoot someone. Sad.

Actually, you would be surprised how aggressively some folk think you need to rub your firearm to remove fingerprints or powder on the outside. And, many Glocks have a 3-5 lb pull.

Many folks will reload at the line when target practicing, re-holster and then once in the vehicle de-holster and start fiddling with it to wipe it on down or make sure they have it loaded to capacity. Seen it too many times.

flintknapper wrote:

Mich. boy, 12, killed by gun being cleaned by dad

NO! A thousand times........NO!

Here is what happened: Mich. boy, 12 killed by careless father cleaning a gun![snip]

Thank you for highlighting this issue. For years I've been incensed when I read headlines such as, "Motorcyclist hits car, dies at scene." The article would reveal that the car had turned left in front of the oncoming motorcyclist, violating his/her right-of-way, and killed the father of three, or mother of two, or university student...

But I failed to miss the implication in the headline, "...killed by gun..." Just like the bike headline incorrectly implies the motorcyclist killed himself, the headline in this case incorrectly implies that the gun killed the boy. All such headlines leave an impression in the minds of most readers that stears them away from the truth of the matter.

A negligent driver killed the person on the bike. A negligent man killed his son. Sad but accurate.

I should have seen that, but you did. And I won't miss it next time. Thanks.

HighVelocity wrote:I think the reason we hear so many stories about guns discharging while being cleaned is that when told to the masses, 90% takes the bait. Hook line and sinker. Another 5% swallow the bobber too.

So, basically, stupidity can be easily concealed by calling it "an accident"

It's like how whenever there is a "bad shoot" (two guys in an argument that turns into a fight that turns into a shooting), the shooter will assuredly tell the cops "It was self-defense!" Cause in those situations, the ol' "I didn't do it" line won't work, so they pull out a different canard. For that reason, I've heard that cops always expect to hear "self-defense" spoken by whoever's holding the gun when they arrive at the scene. People lie all the time if they think it will save them some embarrassment or trouble.

Fangs wrote:Idk about you, but hitting my own leg or foot still seems like a really bad option:

Better my foot than my child's head. I don't have as much of a problem with hurting myself through carelessness as I do with hurting others, or with others' carelessness hurting me.

KD5NRH wrote:

Fangs wrote:Idk about you, but hitting my own leg or foot still seems like a really bad option:

Better my foot than my child's head. I don't have as much of a problem with hurting myself through carelessness as I do with hurting others, or with others' carelessness hurting me.

I agree, I'd much rather injure myself than someone else as a result of my carelessness. Although I'd prefer to injure the floor or nothing at all.