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Posted: **Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:05 pm**

usa1 wrote:
Drewthetexan wrote:For their next act he will place an apple on his head...

Posted: **Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:35 pm**

ninemm wrote:I can't get the link to work. Perhaps it has been disabled?

Posted: **Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:51 pm**

It's true - you can't fix stupid.

Posted: **Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:21 pm**

but how can their be at least 12 stupid men all at one gun range. I know a few idiots generally slip into the chl pool and the rest of the gun pool, but they generally don't all have group meetings.

Posted: **Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:38 am**

I was a semi-professional photographer for a few years. Did the whole sports sidelines thing. And I thought getting run over by a 250-pound linebacker was dangerous!!!!

For his next trick, this moronic camera boy will play Russian roulette with only one empty chamber.

If this guy had died, he would be a shoe-in for the Darwin Awards.

In addition to how unbelievably stupid the photographer is, how smart are the shooters? I don't care where they are, what they're doing, or how much they paid for their "instruction"; if anyone asked me to fire a gun with a human being downrange, I would simply refuse, pack up my gear, and go home. I wouldn't want any part of whatever was going on at that range on that day ...

... heck, I might draw the unlucky number and have to man the camera for the next round

Posted: **Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:48 am**

ninemm wrote:I can't get the link to work. Perhaps it has been disabled?

I copied and pasted part of the address: http://vid717.photobucket.com/albums/ww ... I_1778.flv" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; into my Winamp Play URL box and it works perfectly but I can't seem to make it work with the player in PhotoBucket so try using Winamp instead with the link above.

That video has me speechless, if I was the person shooting next to the photographer I would refuse to do the shooting until he had moved behind me, it also looks like in the end of the clip somebody sees the video camera and put his hand over it to stop the camera man from recording anymore so I have a feeling that they know what was happening wasn't safe and trying to protect themselves but as I said, it is just a feeling I have, I will avoid this place anyway because this kind of behaviour scares the hell out of me.

I am wondering if the photographer ever considered using remote triggering of the camera because then he could be out of harms way and still be able to take some good shots but doing what he did is just crazy.

Just my two cents anyway.

Posted: **Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:18 am**

Sleepless wrote:That video has me speechless, if I was the person shooting next to the photographer I would refuse to do the shooting until he had moved behind me,

That was my thought: if your bullet clips the guy, you're going to be the first person the DA takes an interest in when the hospital reports it. Theoretically, the instructor will be second, but even if you can convince a judge that you were unaware of the risk, you're going to have a hard time getting out of it without a criminal charge.

TX PC 6.03(c) A person acts recklessly, or is reckless, with respect to circumstances surrounding his conduct or the result of his conduct when he is aware of but consciously disregards a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur. The risk must be of such a nature and degree that its disregard constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that an ordinary person would exercise under all the circumstances as viewed from the actor's standpoint.
(d) A person acts with criminal negligence, or is criminally negligent, with respect to circumstances surrounding his conduct or the result of his conduct when he ought to be aware of a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the circumstances exist or the result will occur. The risk must be of such a nature and degree that the failure to perceive it constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that an ordinary person would exercise under all the circumstances as viewed from the actor's standpoint.

If you just wound him:

22.01. ASSAULT. (a) A person commits an offense if the person:
(1) intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly causes bodily injury to another, including the person's spouse;

22.02. AGGRAVATED ASSAULT. (a) A person commits an offense if the person commits assault as defined in Sec. 22.01 and the person:
(1) causes serious bodily injury to another, including the person's spouse; or
(2) uses or exhibits a deadly weapon during the commission of the assault.

If you killed the guy, things could get really ugly really quickly:

TX PC 19.04. MANSLAUGHTER. (a) A person commits an offense if he recklessly causes the death of an individual.
(b) An offense under this section is a felony of the second degree.
19.05. CRIMINALLY NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE. (a) A person commits an offense if he causes the death of an individual by criminal negligence.
(b) An offense under this section is a state jail felony.

At the very least, you'd be in violation of:

22.05. DEADLY CONDUCT. (a) A person commits an offense if he recklessly engages in conduct that places another in imminent danger of serious bodily injury.
(b) A person commits an offense if he knowingly discharges a firearm at or in the direction of:
(1) one or more individuals; or
(2) a habitation, building, or vehicle and is reckless as to whether the habitation, building, or vehicle is occupied.
(c) Recklessness and danger are presumed if the actor knowingly pointed a firearm at or in the direction of another whether or not the actor believed the firearm to be loaded.
(d) For purposes of this section, "building," "habitation," and "vehicle" have the meanings assigned those terms by Section 30.01.
(e) An offense under Subsection (a) is a Class A misdemeanor. An offense under Subsection (b) is a felony of the third degree.

At any rate, they're all felonies, so they'd render that expensive firearms training useless.

EDIT TO ADD: It's worth noting that 22.06 provides certain exceptions:

22.06. CONSENT AS DEFENSE TO ASSAULTIVE CONDUCT. (a) The victim's effective consent or the actor's reasonable belief that the victim consented to the actor's conduct is a defense to prosecution under Section 22.01 (Assault), 22.02 (Aggravated Assault), or 22.05 (Deadly Conduct) if:
(1) the conduct did not threaten or inflict serious bodily injury; or
(2) the victim knew the conduct was a risk of:
(A) his occupation;
(B) recognized medical treatment; or
(C) a scientific experiment conducted by recognized methods.
(b) The defense to prosecution provided by Subsection (a) is not available to a defendant who commits an offense described by Subsection (a) as a condition of the defendant's or the victim's initiation or continued membership in a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 71.01.

I could see a hand-to-hand instructor consenting to a dangerous move under (2)(A), a firearms instructor (and certainly a student) being downrange would be really pushing the bounds of "reasonable occupational hazards."

Posted: **Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:40 am**

In reference to this video, I read a comment about how even the best shooters can make a mistake. What if an equipment malfunction causes a pistol to go full-auto?

I guess it's true. Too much emergency medicine interferes with natural selection.

Posted: **Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:42 am**

You could not pay me to shoot at that range, or with the people who were shooting there...If you cannot speak up and say that something is unsafe, and have those running that circus explain and justify their idea here, much less realize that this was so unsafe it wasn't even funny...I have zero tolerance for that...

If I had been in that group, my bags would have been packed and I would be off the line and off the property before that ever happened...

"Stoopid is, as stoopid does..." ~ Forest Gump (A wise and simple man)

Posted: **Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:44 am**

The ONLY thing I see missing from that fine-video is the guy with the camera should be shooting back at his own target behind the rest of the shooters.
Now that would be a FINE video.

Posted: **Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:05 am**

Purplehood wrote:The ONLY thing I see missing from that fine-video is the guy with the camera should be shooting back at his own target behind the rest of the shooters.
Now that would be a FINE video.

Posted: **Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:23 am**

stevie_d_64 wrote: "Stoopid is, as stoopid does..." ~ Forest Gump (A wise and simple man)

You beat me to it - my thoughts exactly. I wonder if the idiot instructor would volunteer to be the cameraman.

Posted: **Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:24 am**

austinrealtor wrote:I would simply refuse, pack up my gear, and go home. I wouldn't want any part of whatever was going on at that range on that day

I would have to modify that to read "whatever was going on at that range EVER!!"
There is no way I would ever set foot near that range again. I can't believe what I just saw.

Posted: **Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:28 am**

that camera man must have nerves of steel...i puckered up just watching

Posted: **Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:37 am**

Thats nuts, really nuts.

Even if perfect, bullets occasinoally ricochet.

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