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Re: sherman chl incident

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:16 pm
by NTexas_V-Star
cowboymd wrote:
TLynnHughes wrote:Could have been a Taurus, I suppose. There's allegedly a safety issue with certain models when they're dropped. Mine is still currently my daily carry, however.

http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29054

T.
It was a North American Arms 22 revolver. :tiphat:
Cite your sources sir...... :mrgreen:

Re: sherman chl incident

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:52 pm
by cowboymd
NTexas_V-Star wrote:
cowboymd wrote:
TLynnHughes wrote:Could have been a Taurus, I suppose. There's allegedly a safety issue with certain models when they're dropped. Mine is still currently my daily carry, however.

http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29054

T.
It was a North American Arms 22 revolver. :tiphat:
Cite your sources sir...... :mrgreen:
Investigating LEO. :tiphat:

Re: sherman chl incident

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:12 pm
by Keith B
Not surprising if it was. These are single action and no trigger guard. If the guy carried it cocked then it is an accident waiting to happen.

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Re: sherman chl incident

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:23 pm
by wheelgun1958
cowboymd wrote:
TLynnHughes wrote:Could have been a Taurus, I suppose. There's allegedly a safety issue with certain models when they're dropped. Mine is still currently my daily carry, however.

http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29054

T.
It was a North American Arms 22 revolver. :tiphat:
Don't those things have an off-chamber notch?

"The North American Arms Safety Cylinder feature allows the gun to be carried fully loaded. There are halfway notches located between the chambers. The hammer is lowered into one of these notches after the gun is loaded. When the hammer is pulled back to the firing position the cylinder rotates to the next chamber."

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http://www.naaminis.com/naasafe.html

:confused5

Re: sherman chl incident

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 5:27 pm
by Keith B
Yeah, they do, but if he didn't use it, then :fire

Re: sherman chl incident

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:07 pm
by PUCKER
My little NAA .22 Magnum is one of the older ones WITHOUT this feature...gonna be calling them up and getting the new safety cylinder.

Re: sherman chl incident

Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:29 pm
by chartreuse
cowboymd wrote:
TLynnHughes wrote:Could have been a Taurus, I suppose. There's allegedly a safety issue with certain models when they're dropped. Mine is still currently my daily carry, however.

http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29054

T.
It was a North American Arms 22 revolver. :tiphat:
That sounds plausible. I do know that you can fire those by holding down the trigger and working the hammer.

Which, technically, means you could call them Class 3, if you wanted... ;-)

Re: sherman chl incident

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:13 am
by surprise_i'm_armed
It seems that the man who had the ND needs to
rethink his holstering setup.

It fell out of his jacket? Really??

IMHO.

SIA

Re: sherman chl incident

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:20 am
by chabouk
chartreuse wrote:
cowboymd wrote:
TLynnHughes wrote:Could have been a Taurus, I suppose. There's allegedly a safety issue with certain models when they're dropped. Mine is still currently my daily carry, however.

http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29054

T.
It was a North American Arms 22 revolver. :tiphat:
That sounds plausible. I do know that you can fire those by holding down the trigger and working the hammer.

Which, technically, means you could call them Class 3, if you wanted... ;-)
Nope, because they require a distinct mechanical operation for every shot. My 1906 Winchester pump .22 doesn't have a disconnect, so if you hold the trigger back you can empty it as fast as you can pump the slide. (That's pretty darn fast, by the way.)

Using a "Hellfire" or other crank device on a semi-auto is legal because each shot still requires one actuation of the trigger,

Re: sherman chl incident

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 10:33 am
by chartreuse
chabouk wrote:
chartreuse wrote:
cowboymd wrote:
TLynnHughes wrote:Could have been a Taurus, I suppose. There's allegedly a safety issue with certain models when they're dropped. Mine is still currently my daily carry, however.

http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29054

T.
It was a North American Arms 22 revolver. :tiphat:
That sounds plausible. I do know that you can fire those by holding down the trigger and working the hammer.

Which, technically, means you could call them Class 3, if you wanted... ;-)
Nope, because they require a distinct mechanical operation for every shot. My 1906 Winchester pump .22 doesn't have a disconnect, so if you hold the trigger back you can empty it as fast as you can pump the slide. (That's pretty darn fast, by the way.)

Using a "Hellfire" or other crank device on a semi-auto is legal because each shot still requires one actuation of the trigger,
Well, I was kind of kidding, as I don't think there's much chance of it ever coming to court, but the trigger thing was the point of the joke. The law mentions a single actuation of the trigger, but says nothing about hammers or slides. And, as you say, by working them you're able to fire multiple rounds with only a single pull of the trigger...

Re: sherman chl incident

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 11:38 am
by NTexas_V-Star
cowboymd wrote:
NTexas_V-Star wrote:
cowboymd wrote:
TLynnHughes wrote:Could have been a Taurus, I suppose. There's allegedly a safety issue with certain models when they're dropped. Mine is still currently my daily carry, however.

http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=29054

T.
It was a North American Arms 22 revolver. :tiphat:
Cite your sources sir...... :mrgreen:
Investigating LEO. :tiphat:

Ahh, I see. Thank you sir.

Re: sherman chl incident

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:41 pm
by chabouk
chartreuse wrote:Well, I was kind of kidding, as I don't think there's much chance of it ever coming to court, but the trigger thing was the point of the joke. The law mentions a single actuation of the trigger, but says nothing about hammers or slides. And, as you say, by working them you're able to fire multiple rounds with only a single pull of the trigger...
Remember, we're dealing with ATF-speak, and in their view the "trigger" is not always the thing inside the trigger guard. It's whatever you do to make it go "bang".

So, when closing the slide on a pump .22, or fanning a Peacemaker, the slide or the hammer becomes the actual trigger.

Don't look for it to make consistent sense, it's the government.

Re: sherman chl incident

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:36 pm
by The Annoyed Man
Hmmmm....

I have had a negligent discharge once. Once was all it took, and I've been paranoid about it ever since. But I have never dropped, nor even come close to dropping, any kind of firearm — rifle or pistol, loaded or not.

Just lucky, I guess.

Re: sherman chl incident

Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:51 pm
by KD5NRH
The Annoyed Man wrote:But I have never dropped, nor even come close to dropping, any kind of firearm — rifle or pistol, loaded or not.

We'll be watching "Never Again" for your story. I give it a year :biggrinjester:

Re: sherman chl incident

Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:41 am
by pedalman
What are the odds that he tried to catch it while it was falling?