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Re: Fort Hood alters gun registry rules
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:21 pm
by Bob Landry
Excaliber wrote:bdickens wrote:Dang. If the Post Commander had only instituted this policy earlier Maj. Hassan wouldn't have been able to carry out his jihadi attack.
That's for sure. Any guy willing to shoot over thirty people wouldn't dare fail to register his guns or to tell the guard at the gate he was bringing them on post. Why, that would be breaking the rules!
If only they'd had a "Gun Free Zone" sign at the guard shack.........
Yep.. A 30.06 sign would have nipped that in the bud..
Re: Fort Hood alters gun registry rules
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:23 pm
by Bob Landry
mctowalot wrote:bdickens wrote:Dang. If the Post Commander had only instituted this policy earlier Maj. Hassan wouldn't have been able to carry out his jihadi attack.
Ladies and Gentlemen, we, the members of txchlforum.com have won the war. All we have to do is print up a stack of signs that read:
(drum roll..............."
"JIHADI FREE ZONE"
Simply post one every block or so (of the entire planet) - problem solved!
Now we take on global warming...(more signs?)
One that says "Armed Infidel Inside" should take care of business..
Re: Fort Hood alters gun registry rules
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 6:40 pm
by CrimsonSoul
mctowalot wrote:
Now we take on global warming...(more signs?)
I've got it!!!!
"Prevent Global Warming, don't fart!"
Re: Fort Hood alters gun registry rules
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 8:15 pm
by chabouk
Here's a link directly to the official press release.
http://www.hood.army.mil/newsreleases/20091217-01.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Re: Fort Hood alters gun registry rules
Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2009 11:34 pm
by ELB
57Coastie wrote:
So much for my fear of extending the authority of a federal agency (the Army) over POF outside the gate.
Jim
Regardless of what this new policy says (and yes it is a knuckleheaded response), the military's authority over its members does in fact extend well outside the gate -- it is worldwide and although not absolute, pretty close to it. Whether they exercise it wisely or not, and whether they get political pushback via Congress, is another matter, but the military can regulate very closely the behavior of its members on or off post. They can, for example, make it mandatory for members to wear helmets and reflective safety vests when riding motorcycles, regardless of local laws allowing otherwise. They can, as has happened, forbid members from riding mopeds anywhere (as happened in Italy when after a series of incidents where aircrew members were hurt when they rented mopeds and launched themselves off the sides of the cliff-like roads).
A few years ago, a Commanding General in Alaska forbid all members under his command from concealed carry on AND OFF post despite many members having an Alaskan concealed handgun license -- for their safety he said (this may have extended to knives too, I can't remember right now). Wildly stupid and ignorant, but well within his authority. Commanders have lesser power over family members, especially off post in CONUS, but can make life uncomfortable.
Re: Fort Hood alters gun registry rules
Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:16 am
by 57Coastie
CrimsonSoul wrote:mctowalot wrote:
Now we take on global warming...(more signs?)
I've got it!!!!
"Prevent Global Warming, don't fart!"
A lot of truth to that, CrimsonSoul. Perhaps we should all turn to vegetarianism, and get rid of all those cows.
http://animals.howstuffworks.com/mammal ... ne-cow.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Jim
Re: Fort Hood alters gun registry rules
Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:32 am
by 57Coastie
ELB wrote:57Coastie wrote:
So much for my fear of extending the authority of a federal agency (the Army) over POF outside the gate.
Jim
Regardless of what this new policy says (and yes it is a knuckleheaded response), the military's authority over its members does in fact extend well outside the gate -- it is worldwide and although not absolute, pretty close to it. Whether they exercise it wisely or not, and whether they get political pushback via Congress, is another matter, but the military can regulate very closely the behavior of its members on or off post. They can, for example, make it mandatory for members to wear helmets and reflective safety vests when riding motorcycles, regardless of local laws allowing otherwise. They can, as has happened, forbid members from riding mopeds anywhere (as happened in Italy when after a series of incidents where aircrew members were hurt when they rented mopeds and launched themselves off the sides of the cliff-like roads).
A few years ago, a Commanding General in Alaska forbid all members under his command from concealed carry on AND OFF post despite many members having an Alaskan concealed handgun license -- for their safety he said (this may have extended to knives too, I can't remember right now). Wildly stupid and ignorant, but well within his authority. Commanders have lesser power over family members, especially off post in CONUS, but can make life uncomfortable.
Tks, ELB. You are of course quite correct. A commander does have such authority, although it is arguably not open-ended. In fact I have been guilty of exercising this extended authority with respect to other matters myself. When I expressed my pleasure at this apparently not having been done by Fort Hood I was indirectly complimenting the command for not exercising the full extent of its legitimate authority.
My note would have better expressed my intent if I had used the words "exercised its authority" rather than "extended its authority." Once again, the dangers of typing faster than I think.
Jim
Re: Fort Hood alters gun registry rules
Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:38 am
by C-dub
CrimsonSoul wrote:mctowalot wrote:
Now we take on global warming...(more signs?)
I've got it!!!!
"Prevent Global Warming, don't fart!"
I'm going to be taxed out my wazoo.
Re: Fort Hood alters gun registry rules
Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 12:40 pm
by ELB
57Coastie wrote:
Once again, the dangers of typing faster than I think.
Jim
Heh. That
never happens to me.

Well, almost never.

Well, not that often...

Ok, not more than once every other post

Re: Fort Hood alters gun registry rules
Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:48 am
by 57Coastie
ELB wrote:57Coastie wrote:
Once again, the dangers of typing faster than I think.
Jim
Heh. That
never happens to me.

Well, almost never.

Well, not that often...

Ok, not more than once every other post

Good morning, ELB,
How's this for a commander's authority?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34483943/ns ... -military/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I wish I could see the source reg, as I am interested in whether or not there is an exception in the case of rape?
Jim
Re: Fort Hood alters gun registry rules
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 10:47 am
by A-R
Austin paper today ran a serious of articles marking the anniversary of this tragedy. The "security boosted" article caught my eye, but seems much of this was announced and discussed almost a year ago in this thread.
For what it's worth, here's today's article:
http://www.statesman.com/news/texas/sec ... 22445.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;