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Re: Hollywood doesn't think you should have a round chambered?

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:57 pm
by PeteCamp
It also gives the foley artists something to do.
Wild Bill ... At the risk of displaying my ignorance. The only Foley I know is a medical device inserted into the ... er ... well, you know. Why would anybody want one painted? :oops:

Sorry!

Re: Hollywood doesn't think you should have a round chambered?

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:09 pm
by psijac
foley is doing the motion on the screen for a microphone so the movie sounds more realistic like a car door slamming. and other subtle noise that mics don't pickup are added in after filming

Re: Hollywood doesn't think you should have a round chambered?

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:17 pm
by 03Lightningrocks
psijac wrote:foley is doing the motion on the screen for a microphone so the movie sounds more realistic like a car door slamming. and other subtle noise that mics don't pickup are added in after filming
Thanks... I didn't know what foley meant either. :tiphat:

Re: Hollywood doesn't think you should have a round chambered?

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:39 pm
by A-R
Someone will correct me if I'm wrong here, but two points:

1. The US Military originally trained our guys to carry the 1911 with an empty chamber and to rack the slide on the draw, correct? All this racking of slides could be spillover from that time (especially older movies like "Taxi Driver"). Also the original versions of the 1911 have no drop safeties, correct? So carrying the gun on an empty chamber (condition 3?) was advised, as it was with old west cowboy six-shooters, which were often carried with hammer resting on an empty chamber and only 5 rounds loaded.

2. A lot of the slide locks back then more shooting is likely bad movie editing, but also I've always wondered if it had something to do with how those "fake" guns function on a movie set. Do they have blank rounds in the guns that will fire, eject, and rechamber just like real rounds? Or could it be that the special effects guys only give enough rounds for the one scene (he's going to fire two rounds in this scene, so he gets two rounds in the gun) and forget that the slide will lock back after last round even though in the story he's supposed to have just fired two from an 8-round mag?

What bugs me even more with 1911s in film is how they will show one with the hammer down (Condition 2 or 3?), then someone picks up the gun and just fires it, as if it was a double-action 1911 or something.

Re: Hollywood doesn't think you should have a round chambered?

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:41 pm
by AustinBoy
I think it is for the same reason tires squeal when they are on dirt!

It is just a cool noise.

Re: Hollywood doesn't think you should have a round chambered?

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:00 pm
by stevie_d_64
Trinitite wrote:You could have ended the subject line after the third word.
Now THAT's FUNNY!!! And true to boot!!!

Post of the day award!!! :tiphat: :cheers2: :smilelol5: :thumbs2:

Re: Hollywood doesn't think you should have a round chambered?

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:14 pm
by Embalmo
psijac wrote:I think there was a scene in 24 where you hear Jack Bauer cock back the hammer on a glock =(
I know he racked the slide last season just before he pretended to shoot agent Walker in the head. Wasn't it cool when Jack hacked that guy with the fire axe on the stairs?? I guess his policy is to axe first and shoot questions later. I just wish I could shoot like Jack (look like Jack, talk like Jack, have hair like Jack)!!

Embalmo

Re: Hollywood doesn't think you should have a round chambered?

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:18 pm
by A-R
Did any of y'all ever watch "The Shield"? I'm trying to remember, but seems to me most of the gun play in that show (and it had its fair share) was very realistic. One of my top 3 favorite shows of all time. I've never seen an episode of "Lost", watched the very first season of "24" and lost interest (seems everyone I know picked it up in second season and that's when it became a huge hit).

Re: Hollywood doesn't think you should have a round chambered?

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:27 pm
by marksiwel
Embalmo wrote:
psijac wrote:I think there was a scene in 24 where you hear Jack Bauer cock back the hammer on a glock =(
I know he racked the slide last season just before he pretended to shoot agent Walker in the head. Wasn't it cool when Jack hacked that guy with the fire axe on the stairs?? I guess his policy is to axe first and shoot questions later. I just wish I could shoot like Jack (look like Jack, talk like Jack, have hair like Jack)!!

Embalmo
You just made my day with that sentence

Re: Hollywood doesn't think you should have a round chambered?

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:27 pm
by KD5NRH
casingpoint wrote:It's like when they get out of their cars in Hollywood. Turn the motor off, but leave the lights on.
Don't forget the phones (including cell phones) that go to a dial tone when the other person hangs up on you.
austinrealtor wrote:What bugs me even more with 1911s in film is how they will show one with the hammer down (Condition 2 or 3?), then someone picks up the gun and just fires it, as if it was a double-action 1911 or something.
What bugs me is when the bad guy is pointing a 1911 at the (black belt in everything) good guy from within arm's reach, and three quarters of the way through his dramatic monologue, cocks it.

Re: Hollywood doesn't think you should have a round chambered?

Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:54 pm
by The Annoyed Man
psijac wrote:I think there was a scene in 24 where you hear Jack Bauer cock back the hammer on a glock =(
There's another scene in which he cycles the slide twice on his pistol after drawing it... ...with his booger hook on the bang switch, no less... ...and no round is ejected either time.
:roll:

Re: Hollywood doesn't think you should have a round chambered?

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 12:11 am
by surprise_i'm_armed
How about those 30 shot Smith and Wesson snubbies that
only the movie people can find?

How about V8 booming exhaust noise from 4 cylinder cars?

In the movie Bullitt they used both a stick shift Mustang and
an automatic Mustang. The editing is pretty shaky during the
big chase scene. One was a 289, and the other was a 390.

"Continuity" is what someone on the film crew is supposed to be watching when
a movie is filmed, then edited. Things are supposed to be the same
from cut to cut. The movie "Pretty Woman" has a terrible scene when they
are sitting down eating at a fancy place. The food and beverages are in an
amazing number of versions from cut to cut.

IIRC, in the opening scenes of "Good Fellas", the actor is sitting on a 1965
Chevy Impala. The screen tells us this is "NYC, 1963." Since a 1965 Impala
would not have been on sale until September 1964, this was an obvious goof
by either the transportation captain, or someone else editing the film.

SIA

Re: Hollywood doesn't think you should have a round chambered?

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 1:17 am
by rm9792
I constantly hear Glocks cocked, Glock safety being snicked off, etc. The actors point 1911's at guys threatening them but the hammer is down, just go over and take it away! 1911's that click when empty. Only time I have seen a hammer down 1911 used properly it was in Resident Evil, a Para LDA. I think the cocking Glock annoys me more than anything else. I have heard Jack Bauer cocking when bringing up to sight but apparently he was lowering the hammer because it was down when it came into view. Guess he prefers DA.

Re: Hollywood doesn't think you should have a round chambered?

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:29 am
by Dragonfighter
I came accross a show once, wish I could remember the title, where the good guy pulls a 1911 and simply cocks the hammer (I carried cocked and locked when I drew them for missions/exercises) but it was definitely in the realm of feasable carry. Just a small click of the hammer; I almost had a moment. :shock:
"Continuity" is what someone on the film crew is supposed to be watching when
a movie is filmed, then edited. Things are supposed to be the same
from cut to cut. The movie "Pretty Woman" has a terrible scene when they
are sitting down eating at a fancy place. The food and beverages are in an
amazing number of versions from cut to cut.
I'm an aviation freak and the wife hates watching those movies with me for that reason, "THAT'S NOT RIGHT!" Anyway the ones where they take off in one type and land in another, different color and such a different configuration my cat looks up and goes, "Huh?"

Re: Hollywood doesn't think you should have a round chambered?

Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:58 am
by Embalmo
I'm an aviation freak and the wife hates watching those movies with me for that reason, "THAT'S NOT RIGHT!" Anyway the ones where they take off in one type and land in another, different color and such a different configuration my cat looks up and goes, "Huh?"
I was that way when "6' Under" was popular. I was constantly barking, "He's in the casket backwards," and "The left hand goes over the right," and "How come he started with a Portaboy arterial injector and now I'm looking at a Duotronic?"

Embalmo