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Good Thread. I hope I'm never put in this position and trying to remember what I'm supposed to say next.

Would it be a bad idea to have USA1 info printed on a sheet in my wallet or truck? Not sure how that would appear.

Doug

dicion wrote:

gigag04 wrote:throw the weapon...

You're out of your mind if you think I'm gonna throw or slide my handgun anywhere. It's got a perfect finish, and I aim to keep it that way.

I will, however, gladly place it somewhere, and walk away from it .

You just possibly killed someone in defense of yourself or a third person and this is primary concern?

I'm kidding, but I get it. I have some beautiful guns myself. However, the ones I use as weapons are all replaceable. Even the rifle that cost more than my 3 carry guns combined. I see them as tools.

I wouldn't dare carry my Gold Cup that my dad passed down to me for this reason.

For me, if I'm caught in something off duty, you bet as (uniformed) police get out that thing is going down and hands are going up.

LaserTex wrote:Would it be a bad idea to have USA1 info printed on a sheet in my wallet or truck? Not sure how that would appear.

Doug

Can you say p-r-e-m-e-d-i-t-a-t-e-d?

That was why I asked :-) Is that what it would look like? I am checklist military trained. Yeah never need it but you know it is there.

gigag04 wrote:
You just possibly killed someone in defense of yourself or a third person and this is primary concern?

To be honest, In a clear-cut scenario, like where someone breaks into my home, at night, with a weapon, and I shoot them.... Yes.
I wouldn't be worried about going to jail, or anything (at least not permanently)., if it's a 100% clear cut situation like that above. Also wouldn't be worrying about a lawyer, as I can afford one no problem.
In a not-so-clear-cut scenario... then sure.. I might be concerned about something else :P

I'm kidding, but I get it. I have some beautiful guns myself. However, the ones I use as weapons are all replaceable. Even the rifle that cost more than my 3 carry guns combined. I see them as tools.

I wouldn't dare carry my Gold Cup that my dad passed down to me for this reason.

For me, if I'm caught in something off duty, you bet as (uniformed) police get out that thing is going down and hands are going up.

Oh I agree, they're all replaceable in lieu of a human life. But if the threat is ended, and the guy's on the ground, with no weapon, I will place it down, or holster it before they arrive.

If he's still a possible threat, and I'm covering him, I Will at least ask 'Can I set it down slowly instead? I don't want to hurt the finish'. Maybe even possibly aim for soft grass if I need to throw it. Tossing it on hard concrete would be the last resort, and I might very well cry watching it hit.

USA1 wrote:
5. Officer you will have my full cooperation in 24 hrs after I see my attorney.

That kind of sounds like your key concern is to lawyer up (which of course it is) which I don't think would get a very sympathetic response from the officer, or from the jury when it is read to them verbatim from that officer's notes. Personally I think "Officer I feel really unwell. I was in fear of my life and now I feel dizzy and think I am going to pass out. I'm very upset at what that man put me though. I think I need medical attention" (and then actually vomit) is probably going to generate a more sympathetic response aswell as giving you what you actually need - some time to speak to your attorney before you are 'well enough' to give a statement.

"Tossing" a gun that's still loaded and unsafed onto the ground sounds like a recipe for a possible ND. Can I toss it in the perp's direction so that the ND goes his way and "secures his heartbeat?"

Skydivesnake wrote:That kind of sounds like your key concern is to lawyer up (which of course it is) which I don't think would get a very sympathetic response from the officer, or from the jury when it is read to them verbatim from that officer's notes

Any defense attorney worth his salt when it comes time for cross, or re-cross will ask that officer if he would answer any questions about a post-shooting criminal investigation in which he is a suspect without a lawyer present. That cop will either perjure himself or say "no sir, I guess would not." We keep our representation on speed dial for a reason.

You answer how you fit, but I'm not saying a thing until I have someone that has my best interests in my mind advising me. Our TMPA lawyers will go over our statements and our reports before we turn them in (if we are in a serious incident). They aren't there to hinder the investigation process, just to make sure that my interests are represented.

I truthfully hope none of us are put in this situation.

MoJo wrote:USA1 gave the correct information according to what Charles teaches about this subject.

Absolutely!!!

I would also try to work into the call, a need to send an ambulance(s) to the same address as soon as possible...

- there may be more than one person shot...

- you (or others) may be injured...

Just remember your welfare and safety, is just as important, at that time, as the person(s) that are shot...No need to forget that, or ignore it, because you may feel (internally) a little regret about the incident...

A point that the instructor brought up in my chl class was that, after an incident, you should refer to it as a gun, firearm or pistol and never as a "weapon".

It may be a minor thing but it sounded like good advice.

Johnny Polite wrote:A point that the instructor brought up in my chl class was that, after an incident, you should refer to it as a gun, firearm or pistol and never as a "weapon".

It may be a minor thing but it sounded like good advice.

My instructor made that same point, and it led to an informative 10 minute discussion. That's why you'll never read a post of mine that says anything other than gun or pistol.

maybe I missed that part of the class. Why not refer to it as a weapon?

7075-T7 wrote:maybe I missed that part of the class. Why not refer to it as a weapon?

Good question. I kind of wondered too when told that. If I can remember what she said.....

A gun/pistol/firearm is a noun. It describes an object. it does not describe intent.
A weapon defines the intent. To harm/maim/kill.

A knife can be used as a weapon, as can a baseball bat, hammer, screwdriver and a gun. They can serve more than one purpose. On the other hand a weapon can only be used for one thing....harm/maim/kill.

I think the legal implication is less severe when describing your gun, well....as a gun. As opposed to describing your gun as a weapon. It falls on intent.

And since we're talking about what's said after an incident, it put things in the proper perspective. That's why the instructor recommended we refer to our carry piece that way. And it makes sense to me.

Bottom line is that it effects the legal implication of what happened. This is as I understand it.

IANAL by any means. And that's my opinion.

Here is a great website with instructive short gun videos. click on the tab of MORE PERSONAL DEFENSE and select After A Real Shooting. Masaad Ayoob goes through the exact 5 steps that USA1 has given here. For those not aware, Ayoob is a lifetime LEO and trains LEO's and others in guns and tactics. Also, even if the BG now appears to be dead, tell authorities you want to prosecute them. This makes it clear that you are the complainant victim. There is only one complainant, and the one who first makes the call or asks for the other to be charged is listed.

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