Notice from U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service

[The Annoyed Man]

Is a "National Wildlife Refuge" the same thing as a "National Park?" The linked FWS announcement does not talk about National Parks, but only mentions National Wildlife Refuges.

United States Fish and Wildlife Service is the monitor of NWR's. NRA's; however, fall under the auspices of the NPS.

That is what I thought, but Charles' OP says:

Here is a notice about the national park, etc. carry.

That's why I was confused. While it may be legal to carry (per FWS) in National Wildlife Refuges, that is not necessarily the same thing as carry in National Parks, as I understand it. And the reason I am asking is because I understood that carry in National Parks was going to be allowed, but I didn't know if they had already implemented it.

[Oldgringo]

Is a "National Wildlife Refuge" the same thing as a "National Park?" The linked FWS announcement does not talk about National Parks, but only mentions National Wildlife Refuges.

United States Fish and Wildlife Service is the monitor of NWR's. NRA's; however, fall under the auspices of the NPS.

That is what I thought, but Charles' OP says:

Here is a notice about the national park, etc. carry.

That's why I was confused. While it may be legal to carry (per FWS) in National Wildlife Refuges, that is not necessarily the same thing as carry in National Parks, as I understand it. And the reason I am asking is because I understood that carry in National Parks was going to be allowed, but I didn't know if they had already implemented it.

In the soon to be immortal words of 03Lightningrocks, "concealed is concealed". It will be 22 February next week at any rate.

[Mike1951]

Following is the text of the amendment that became law. At the end are links to TX NPS sites and TX FWS sites. Visit each site and somewhere there you should a notice about the law changing on Feb. 22nd. (I didn't check them all.)

Text of Amendment:

(7) Congress needs to weigh in on the new regulations to ensure that unelected bureaucrats and judges cannot again override the

[Page: S5384] GPO's PDFSecond Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens on 83,600,000 acres of National Park System land and 90,790,000 acres of land under the jurisdiction of the United States Fish and Wildlife Service.
(8) The Federal laws should make it clear that the second amendment rights of an individual at a unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System should not be infringed.

(b) Protecting the Right of Individuals to Bear arms in Units of the National Park System and the National Wildlife Refuge System.--The Secretary of the Interior shall not promulgate or enforce any regulation that prohibits an individual from possessing a firearm including an assembled or functional firearm in any unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System if--

(1) the individual is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm; and

(2) the possession of the firearm is in compliance with the law of the State in which the unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System is located.



SA 1068. Mr. COBURN proposed an amendment to the bill H.R. 627, to amend the Truth in Lending Act to establish fair and transparent practices relating to the extension of credit under an open end consumer credit plan, and for other purposes; as follows:


At the appropriate place in the bill, insert the following:

SEC. __. PROTECTING AMERICANS FROM VIOLENT CRIME.

(a) Congressional Findings.--Congress finds the following:

(1) The Second Amendment to the Constitution provides that ``the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed''.

(2) Section 2.4(a)(1) of title 36, Code of Federal Regulations, provides that ``except as otherwise provided in this section and parts 7 (special regulations) and 13 (Alaska regulations), the following are prohibited: (i) Possessing a weapon, trap or net (ii) Carrying a weapon, trap or net (iii) Using a weapon, trap or net''.

(3) Section 27.42 of title 50, Code of Federal Regulations, provides that, except in special circumstances, citizens of the United States may not ``possess, use, or transport firearms on national wildlife refuges'' of the United States Fish and Wildlife Service.

(4) The regulations described in paragraphs (2) and (3) prevent individuals complying with Federal and State laws from exercising the second amendment rights of the individuals while at units of--

(A) the National Park System; and

(B) the National Wildlife Refuge System.

(5) The existence of different laws relating to the transportation and possession of firearms at different units of the National Park System and the National Wildlife Refuge System entrapped law-abiding gun owners while at units of the National Park System and the National Wildlife Refuge System.

(6) Although the Bush administration issued new regulations relating to the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens in units of the National Park System and National Wildlife Refuge System that went into effect on January 9, 2009--

(A) on March 19, 2009, the United States District Court for the District of Columbia granted a preliminary injunction with respect to the implementation and enforcement of the new regulations; and

(B) the new regulations--

(i) are under review by the administration; and

(ii) may be altered.

(7) Congress needs to weigh in on the new regulations to ensure that unelected bureaucrats and judges cannot again override the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens on 83,600,000 acres of National Park System land and 90,790,000 acres of land under the jurisdiction of the United States Fish and Wildlife Service.

(8) The Federal laws should make it clear that the second amendment rights of an individual at a unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System should not be infringed.

(b) Protecting the Right of Individuals To Bear Arms in Units of the National Park System and the National Wildlife Refuge System.--The Secretary of the Interior shall not promulgate or enforce any regulation that prohibits an individual from possessing a firearm including an assembled or functional firearm in any unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System if--

(1) the individual is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm; and

(2) the possession of the firearm is in compliance with the law of the State in which the unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System is located.



15 TX sites under NPS:

http://www.nps.gov/state/TX/index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TX Wildlife Refuges:

http://www.fws.gov/Refuges/profiles/ByS" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... m?state=TX

[SA-TX]

Is a "National Wildlife Refuge" the same thing as a "National Park?" The linked FWS announcement does not talk about National Parks, but only mentions National Wildlife Refuges.

United States Fish and Wildlife Service is the monitor of NWR's. NRA's; however, fall under the auspices of the NPS.

True and they also had to change their rules. Here's the announcement from the National Park Service:

http://home.nps.gov/news/release.htm?id=962" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[KFP]

I was just looking at Yellowstone's site and found this:

http://www.nps.gov/yell/parkmgmt/lawsandpolicies.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Encouraging.

[joe817]

Texas has more National Parks than I thought! Here's a listing of them. It looks like they all contain the updates for firearms carry:

Big Bend: http://www.nps.gov/bibe/parkmgmt/firear ... ations.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Big Thicket: http://www.nps.gov/bith/parkmgmt/firear ... ks-law.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Lyndon B. Johnson National Historical Park: http://www.nps.gov/lyjo/parkmgmt/lawsandpolicies.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
San Antonio Missions: http://www.nps.gov/saan/parkmgmt/lawsandpolicies.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Padre Island National Seashores: https://imrcms.nps.gov/pais/parkmgmt/la ... licies.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Palo Alto Battlefield: http://www.nps.gov/paal/parkmgmt/lawsandpolicies.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Amisted National Recreational Area: http://www.nps.gov/amis/parkmgmt/firear ... -parks.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Fort Davis National Historical Park: http://www.nps.gov/foda/parkmgmt/firearms.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Guadalupe Mountains National Park: http://www.nps.gov/gumo/parkmgmt/lawsandpolicies.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Chamizal National Memorial: http://www.nps.gov/cham/index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Alibates Flint Quarries National Monument: http://www.nps.gov/alfl/index.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Note: I could find nothing regarding carrying firearms for this location)
Lake Merideth National Recreation Area: http://www.nps.gov/lamr/planyourvisit/hunting.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[The Annoyed Man]

In the soon to be immortal words of 03Lightningrocks, "concealed is concealed". It will be 22 February next week at any rate.

Yes, concealed is concealed, but you should still know if you are in violation or not.

[Oldgringo]

Thanks, Joe.

Now let's all join hands and pray that a CH licensee somewhere doesn't do something stupid with his CW and prove the naysayers right. Can we have an Amen?

[OldSchool]

Thanks, Joe.

Now let's all join hands and pray that a CH licensee somewhere doesn't do something stupid with his CW and prove the naysayers right. Can we have an Amen?

AMEN!! (and hope even more it isn't me!)

[The Annoyed Man]

Thanks, Joe.

Now let's all join hands and pray that a CH licensee somewhere doesn't do something stupid with his CW and prove the naysayers right. Can we have an Amen?

Amen!

[joe817]

Thanks, Joe. Now let's all join hands and pray that a CH licensee somewhere doesn't do something stupid with his CW and prove the naysayers right. Can we have an Amen?

Amen, and AMEN!

[Mastodon]

Thanks, Joe.

Now let's all join hands and pray that a CH licensee somewhere doesn't do something stupid with his CW and prove the naysayers right. Can we have an Amen?

Seriously.

Amen.

[Dragonfighter]

Thanks, Joe.

Now let's all join hands and pray that a CH licensee somewhere doesn't do something stupid with his CW and prove the naysayers right. Can we have an Amen?

Seriously.

Amen.

I amen that amen. But I have to say that "concealed is concealed" has been my mantra when it came to national or state parks for decades. There is simply too much danger to go unprotected.

[rosebud99]

amen.....

[blue]

Amen....