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dcphoto wrote:Stupid video, but I think the point may have been missed.

In a nutshell he is talking about grabbing for control of somebody else's gun when you are un-armed, disarmed, or unable to access your weapon. By grabbing the slide when the gun is fired you are preventing it from cycling, thus temporarily disabling the gun. If you get shot doing this, you probably would have been shot anyway. This is part of a last ditch effort to win the fight, NOT something to be considered in lieu of shooting the BG. The only situation to use this is close quarters fighting when you are at a weapons disadvantage, and need to remove the other guys means of deadly force.

^^ This right here. One reason I'm a big proponent of learning disarming moves along with firearms training. If you're face to face with a BG and he's already drawing his weapon, it's next to impossible to draw yours and get a shot off before him... even Massad Ayoob in one of his books touched on this. I forgot his exact statement, but it was along the lines of "If the bad guy goes for his gun, YOU go for his gun too". At bare minimum, even if you can't get a grip on his slide to disable his weapon you'll at least give yourself a split second to begin drawing your own gun.

Yes, the guy in the vid wasn't terribly smart, but I think we're missing the point.

At least he was wearing eye protection. Not that there was much going on behind the eyes.

He was safer than half the customers at gun shops.

The method of instruction is poor at best, But all but one of you missed the valid the intent of his instruction.

In close quarters battle, you can control an enemy’s weapon with your bear hand to great effect.. Without receiving any injury due to the firing of the weapon so long as you can deflect the muzzle away from a direct hit. The second point of the instruction was that most often when you control the enemy’s weapon in this manor it will fail to function on follow up rounds attempted to be fired.

I’d bet the flamboyant video is in response to his mention of this type of weapon control during QCB, with unknowing and ignorant people responding with gems of wisdom like “ that’s stupid, the slide will rip your hand off” Or “ the powder burns from the ejection port will fry your hand” or some other equally ill informed response.

What he was attempting to teach is not new.. and is a tool in the QCB fighters tool box, nothing more

has anybody seen the DEA Agent that was teaching gun safety to young kids and .....OOPS! Don't worry he's a professional and the blood is just .....oops, I guess that's not part of the training.

MadMonkey wrote:

dcphoto wrote:Stupid video, but I think the point may have been missed.

In a nutshell he is talking about grabbing for control of somebody else's gun when you are un-armed, disarmed, or unable to access your weapon. By grabbing the slide when the gun is fired you are preventing it from cycling, thus temporarily disabling the gun. If you get shot doing this, you probably would have been shot anyway. This is part of a last ditch effort to win the fight, NOT something to be considered in lieu of shooting the BG. The only situation to use this is close quarters fighting when you are at a weapons disadvantage, and need to remove the other guys means of deadly force.

^^ This right here. One reason I'm a big proponent of learning disarming moves along with firearms training. If you're face to face with a BG and he's already drawing his weapon, it's next to impossible to draw yours and get a shot off before him... even Massad Ayoob in one of his books touched on this. I forgot his exact statement, but it was along the lines of "If the bad guy goes for his gun, YOU go for his gun too". At bare minimum, even if you can't get a grip on his slide to disable his weapon you'll at least give yourself a split second to begin drawing your own gun.

Yes, the guy in the vid wasn't terribly smart, but I think we're missing the point.

Yep, this. In my self defense training, we practice grabbing a BGs gun in much the same manner. It's not recommended to actually try it, rather to diffuse and/or try and get away. However, if it comes down to it....we have the training to fall back on.

I kept expecting him to blow a hole in his hand, or watch one his digits fly off...

Incase no one has posted this
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Myth-busters where they put their finger in a barrel..

http://www.smh.com.au/national/home-inv ... -8vgy.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Mr Martin said that Ron told him the intruders were armed with a single-barrelled shotgun and that he had put his "finger in the barrel" of the gun in an attempt to deter the attackers

Aussies man, aussies

I agree that the message is valid, but the messenger leaves much to be desired.

As a last ditch effort it's good to keep this in mind. What I dislike about the guy is his condescending attitude, almost belittling the viewer. The lesson would probably be much better received with the proper respect to firearms safety as well as to its intended audience.

I went to the website and watched a few more videos. Yikes