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Re: Trip to NH

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:12 pm
by Liberty
baldeagle wrote:
In my opinion, it's time for the state of New York to get slapped hard by the federal government. And Mayor Bloomberg as well.
There lies the rub. They never get slapped hard.
Chicago and the D.C, both get ruled against and the cities still resist. there doesn't seem to be any punishment for blatantly resisting Federal law. The D.C was assessed damages in the Heller The DC's response is simply to refuse to pay, there doesn't seem to be any accountabilty.

Re: Trip to NH

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 12:33 pm
by ELB
baldeagle wrote:
In the cases that I've read, the plaintiffs all did something wrong. Either they weren't fully in compliance with FOPA or they made statements that hurt their cases. That gave the courts an opening to rule against them. Those cases are on appeal, and will probably go to the Supreme Court eventually, where the matter will be settled once and for all..
Since you don't include the names, but reference cases "on appeal" and "probably go to the Supreme Court," it appears you may be speaking of Torraco v. Port Authority of New York & New Jersey and Weasner v. Suffolk County, New YorkAirport Authority. The cases includes three individuals, Torraco, Winstanley, and Weasoner.

It is important to note that none of them "did something wrong."

In accordance with airline rules and federal regulations, they declared an unloaded firearm in checked baggage at a NY airport. Two of of the three were arrested (and possibly also the wife of one of them) for illegal possession of firearms, since they did not have NY Firearms Owner ID cards; the other, who had a FOID, was refused permission to board the aircraft (by the police, not the airline or the TSA) because he had an unloaded firearm. All criminal charges were dropped by the DAs and the courts. The three individuals sued in civil court for civil rights violations -- it is these suits that the appeals court has ruled against, and that I hope are appealed to and accepted by the SCOTUS.

The NY and NJ Port Authority police have effectively taken the position that the FOPA does not apply, even though their arrests are not subsequently supported by the DAs and court.

Re: Trip to NH

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:05 pm
by chasfm11
ELB wrote: The NY and NJ Port Authority police have effectively taken the position that the FOPA does not apply, even though their arrests are not subsequently supported by the DAs and court.
And if I'm not mistaken, the Port Authority also controls all of the bridges into NY and patrols those areas. That is one of the reasons that I've been concerned about traveling there. I'm not sure where the NJ or NY State Police stand on these matters. I wouldn't be at all concerned about a local LEO in NJ or NY escalating a situation into a firearms matter.

Re: Trip to NH

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:15 pm
by baldeagle
ELB wrote:
baldeagle wrote:
In the cases that I've read, the plaintiffs all did something wrong. Either they weren't fully in compliance with FOPA or they made statements that hurt their cases. That gave the courts an opening to rule against them. Those cases are on appeal, and will probably go to the Supreme Court eventually, where the matter will be settled once and for all..
Since you don't include the names, but reference cases "on appeal" and "probably go to the Supreme Court," it appears you may be speaking of Torraco v. Port Authority of New York & New Jersey and Weasner v. Suffolk County, New YorkAirport Authority. The cases includes three individuals, Torraco, Winstanley, and Weasoner.

It is important to note that none of them "did something wrong."
Perhaps I could have worded it better. What they did wrong was in the eyes of the Port Authority not the law. For example, Torraco was "deceptive" according to the PA officer (which is baloney, IMO) and he couldn't produce proof that he could legally carry in New York (which he is not required to do). Winstanley couldn't prove that he could legally carry where he was headed (which he is not required to do). IMO these are simply excuses for the PA to harass people, and they should be slapped hard for it.