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It only matters if you have a messed up definition of what a traitor is. Since they held a vote for succession all public and such, "traitor" doesn't fit at all.frazzled wrote:I don't know. Is being a traitor better than being a terrorist? Kind of six and one half dozen argument to me.
Nope, its pretty much on point.MechAg94 wrote:It only matters if you have a messed up definition of what a traitor is. Since they held a vote for succession all public and such, "traitor" doesn't fit at all.frazzled wrote:I don't know. Is being a traitor better than being a terrorist? Kind of six and one half dozen argument to me.
Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.A betrayal of trust or confidence.
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and fires artillery at US troops, then its a traitor.Amnesty Proclamation, Andrew Johnson - 29 May 1865
Whereas the President of the United States, on the 8th day of December, A.D. eighteen hundred and sixty-three, and on the 26 day of March, A.D. eighteen hundred and sixty-four, did, with the object to suppress the existing rebellion, to induce all persons to return to their loyalty, and to restore the authority of the United States, issue proclamations offering amnesty and pardon to certain persons who had directly or by implication participated in the said rebellion; and whereas many persons who had so engaged in said rebellion have, since the issuance of said proclamations, failed or neglected to take the benefits offered thereby; and whereas many persons who have been justly deprived of all claim to amnesty and pardon thereunder, by reason of their participation directly or by implication in said rebellion, and continued hostility to the government of the United States since the date of said proclamation, now desire to apply for and obtain amnesty and pardon:
Uhh, speak for yourself. I had a great-grandparent and great-uncles on both sides from both sides of my family.frazzled wrote:The positive is that, none of us, our parents, grand parents, etc. had anything to do with it, so we can call more for what it was.
As did I, but they're not alive.Keith B wrote:Uhh, speak for yourself. I had a great-grandparent and great-uncles on both sides from both sides of my family.frazzled wrote:The positive is that, none of us, our parents, grand parents, etc. had anything to do with it, so we can call more for what it was.
I really consider them more as 'combatants' than 'terrorists'.frazzled wrote:As did I, but they're not alive.Keith B wrote:Uhh, speak for yourself. I had a great-grandparent and great-uncles on both sides from both sides of my family.frazzled wrote:The positive is that, none of us, our parents, grand parents, etc. had anything to do with it, so we can call more for what it was.
Washington and Jefferson were traitors, from England's perspective.frazzled wrote:I don't know. Is being a traitor better than being a terrorist? Kind of six and one half dozen argument to me.
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the Earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, their rulers don't like that.chabouk wrote:The use of "civil war" is a misnomer, because a "civil war" is one where competing parties fight for control of the same country. This was a war for independence, where the seceding states had no interest in governing the former "U.S.A.", just as the Colonials didn't want to rule England, merely be separate from it and free to govern themselves.
RPB wrote:I like this bumper sticker click to enlarge; Where was Homeland Security when Columbus invaded?
History fail. Columbus never set foot on the North American mainland.RPB wrote: Where was Homeland Security when Columbus invaded?