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ScottDLS wrote:Since it doesn't seem like you can go anywhere these days without some official or quasi-official request for "Your papers, please...", I think I'm going to get one of those US State Dept Passport Cards. They're wallet size vs. walking around with my US passport book.

I have one of those. It's great when I need ID but don't want to reveal my home address.

The whole "two forms of photo ID" thing is absolutely ridiculous. The vast majority of the public at large can only produce one "acceptable" (government issued) ID, because that's all they have. Many don't even have that, and I've had to tell many people that a student ID, Sam's Club card, or credit card were not valid ID.

If I were manning a security checkpoint, and someone other than a frequent visitor had a second ID readily at hand, it would throw up an immediate red flag for me. That would indicate they had made plans well in advance.

As for the requirements to get a state ID from TxDPS, don't get me started... the whole birth certificate-slash-Social Security-slash-"other acceptable secondary identification" thing is a maddening example of circular logic. Especially if you're a home-schooler without any of the "acceptable alternative" public school records.

chabouk wrote:The whole "two forms of photo ID" thing is absolutely ridiculous. The vast majority of the public at large can only produce one "acceptable" (government issued) ID, because that's all they have. Many don't even have that, and I've had to tell many people that a student ID, Sam's Club card, or credit card were not valid ID.

If I were manning a security checkpoint, and someone other than a frequent visitor had a second ID readily at hand, it would throw up an immediate red flag for me. That would indicate they had made plans well in advance.

As for the requirements to get a state ID from TxDPS, don't get me started... the whole birth certificate-slash-Social Security-slash-"other acceptable secondary identification" thing is a maddening example of circular logic. Especially if you're a home-schooler without any of the "acceptable alternative" public school records.

Oh, yes...the DPS...I had my wallet stolen last year. Had my driver's license, credit cards, student ID, and (unfortunately) my SS card in it. I had just applied for my passport (which is why I had my SS card on me) so had sent off my birth certificate in the mail. I needed a new driver's license...but couldn't produce any acceptable identification. I couldn't get a new SS card for the same reason. I had to drive illegally for almost two months until I got my passport and birth certificate back in the mail - SHEESH! And I still haven't gotten a new SS card since it's my fourth one I've requested, and the one that was stolen was brand new since I had gotten married and needed to change my name. I figure by the time I need it again, I'll have time to request a new one.

Outbreaker wrote:

Griz44 wrote: I certainly hope you do not say "school"

Securities Continuing Education Exam.

Very good! So are the securities secure?

chabouk wrote:The whole "two forms of photo ID" thing is absolutely ridiculous. The vast majority of the public at large can only produce one "acceptable" (government issued) ID, because that's all they have. Many don't even have that, and I've had to tell many people that a student ID, Sam's Club card, or credit card were not valid ID.

If I were manning a security checkpoint, and someone other than a frequent visitor had a second ID readily at hand, it would throw up an immediate red flag for me. That would indicate they had made plans well in advance.

As for the requirements to get a state ID from TxDPS, don't get me started... the whole birth certificate-slash-Social Security-slash-"other acceptable secondary identification" thing is a maddening example of circular logic. Especially if you're a home-schooler without any of the "acceptable alternative" public school records.

While I agree about the two forms of photo ID thing, and believe me I can remember when it was unusual for anyone to have even one form of PHOTO id, I do have to wonder why you would throw a red flag at someone who was conscientious enough to be prepared. That's like saying you would throw a red flag at a CHL holder who, by definition, is prepared for a rare occasion.

randomoutburst wrote:

chabouk wrote:The whole "two forms of photo ID" thing is absolutely ridiculous. The vast majority of the public at large can only produce one "acceptable" (government issued) ID, because that's all they have. Many don't even have that, and I've had to tell many people that a student ID, Sam's Club card, or credit card were not valid ID.

If I were manning a security checkpoint, and someone other than a frequent visitor had a second ID readily at hand, it would throw up an immediate red flag for me. That would indicate they had made plans well in advance.

As for the requirements to get a state ID from TxDPS, don't get me started... the whole birth certificate-slash-Social Security-slash-"other acceptable secondary identification" thing is a maddening example of circular logic. Especially if you're a home-schooler without any of the "acceptable alternative" public school records.

Oh, yes...the DPS...I had my wallet stolen last year. Had my driver's license, credit cards, student ID, and (unfortunately) my SS card in it. I had just applied for my passport (which is why I had my SS card on me) so had sent off my birth certificate in the mail. I needed a new driver's license...but couldn't produce any acceptable identification. I couldn't get a new SS card for the same reason. I had to drive illegally for almost two months until I got my passport and birth certificate back in the mail - SHEESH! And I still haven't gotten a new SS card since it's my fourth one I've requested, and the one that was stolen was brand new since I had gotten married and needed to change my name. I figure by the time I need it again, I'll have time to request a new one.

I had the same kind of situation happen with me. I've only just now gotten around to getting my SS card 4 replaced years later. There was this loop of impossibility that ID was required to get my DL back, except my wallet had my DL and SS card (had just gotten a new job and still had it in my wallet for that reason). What is officially listed as what they will accept and what they will actually do for you in person are 2 different things. They finally ended up taking an expired Armed Forces dependant ID (which had my SSN on it) and my old high school ID so that I could get my DL replaced.

As for carrying multiple forms of ID on me, I do, but I've learned not to put all of my eggs are in one basket. I have separate wallets for ID and money - DL and CHL and various other "ID" cards (NRA, TSRA, dental/medical insurace, range membership, etc) ride around in one wallet. Cash and Debit/Credit cards ride around in a completely separate money clip/card holder. My passport rides in the "hidden" pockets of my 5.11 shirts/vest . I do not carry my SS card with me.

jimlongley wrote:

chabouk wrote:The whole "two forms of photo ID" thing is absolutely ridiculous. The vast majority of the public at large can only produce one "acceptable" (government issued) ID, because that's all they have. Many don't even have that, and I've had to tell many people that a student ID, Sam's Club card, or credit card were not valid ID.

If I were manning a security checkpoint, and someone other than a frequent visitor had a second ID readily at hand, it would throw up an immediate red flag for me. That would indicate they had made plans well in advance.

As for the requirements to get a state ID from TxDPS, don't get me started... the whole birth certificate-slash-Social Security-slash-"other acceptable secondary identification" thing is a maddening example of circular logic. Especially if you're a home-schooler without any of the "acceptable alternative" public school records.

While I agree about the two forms of photo ID thing, and believe me I can remember when it was unusual for anyone to have even one form of PHOTO id, I do have to wonder why you would throw a red flag at someone who was conscientious enough to be prepared. That's like saying you would throw a red flag at a CHL holder who, by definition, is prepared for a rare occasion.

Because it's not something the general public would expect to encounter, or know to prepare for. When someone who is supposed be John Q. Citizen has researched security measures to that degree, you have to wonder why.

What if their friend told them?

EDIT to add: What if they really didn't want to show up without everything they would need and called ahead, or have been there once before and remember the hassle?

Hehe, not trying to be a pain, but I'm also sure that by "raises a red flag" you don't mean "I have them tackled and strip searched by security". To me it seems reasonable to just keep an eye on them.

chabouk wrote:Because it's not something the general public would expect to encounter, or know to prepare for. When someone who is supposed be John Q. Citizen has researched security measures to that degree, you have to wonder why.

I still don't see an equation in there, nor do I see it as rare enough to warrant red flag status. Every one of us CHL holders probably has two, or more for those of us with multiple state permits, and that hardly reaches the level of hairy eyeball, much less red flag.

Since a few days after my 18th birthday I have carried multiple IDs, not all necessarily "government issue" but back then a photo ID was unusual. I got thrown out of a bar (that I had been patroizing for some months) three days after my 18th birthday, for not being able to produce enough ID to prove I was over 18. All I had was my driver's license, my SSI card, and a school ID, and the bar wouldn't take them. The following week I was issued my membership card from the volunteer fire department, and despite the fact that it could probably have been run off on a printing press at school, bars would accept that as a backup to my DL.

The only other time I ever relied on a single ID was when I was in the Navy, and my picture ID there pretty mcu did everything I needed.

I frequently use my CHL as ID. It is legal to do so, and I like the pic better.