Question on Signage?

[SpringerFan]

Wow! I guess it is not as common place as I thought judging by your reactions. Have been banking there for a long time and have not been into any other banks lately, so I had no idea that it was out of the norm. I like their service but yall got me thinkin.

[RPB]

Not sure where you are, but after being held at gunpoint twice in 2 stores in Houston (Electronics Store and Lumber yard/Hardware Store)

I figure bank robbers usually have guns and banks are MUCH more likely to be robbed than electronics stores and lumber yards ... any bank that wants to give a criminal a lethal advantage over a customer must not value my business ...

If a 30.06 sign ever showed up at my bank, I'd :
1) talk to the bank President/manager about the background checks and training required to get a CHL and that being a law abiding responsible citizen is a basic requirement,

2) point out that bank robbers carrying guns in banks aren't required to undergo background checks first and that most ignore signs, but that THE 30.06 sign does not apply to armed robbers AT ALL any way, it ONLY APPLIES TO law abiding responsible citizens who underwent EXTENSIVE background checks at LOCAL, STATE and FEDERAL levels smilar to the ones Certified Peace Officers/Law Enforcement Officers undergo!!! ...and

3) I'd ask why he prefers the armed robbers over me, (his sign does not even purport to exclude armed robbers with NO license, only licensees/holders of a license)

4) I'd point out that his sign does not exclude anyone ILLEGALLY carrying a concealed handun WITHOUT a license

5) I'd point out that his sign does not exclude anyone walking in with an openly carried shotgun or AR-15 rifle LEGALLY openly carried WITHOUT a license being required (which is perfectly legal, no background checks nor license required)

6) I'd ask him if that's REALLY the sign he wants up to achieve the goals he REALLY has ...(HIs agenda really is to keep out more responsible law abiding citizens in favor of allowing armed people with no backround checks/licenses in?) [ Or, is it that he prefer I bring my AR-15 legally openly carried, next time instead of a concealed handgun?]

then if the sign stayed,
7) I'd either buy a sling for my 20" barrel Shotgun, buy a sling for a rifle I own, OR
8) I'd find someone who really did value me, my safety, and my business more than they value unlicensed people carrying shotguns, rifles, or unlicensed criminals illegally carrying handguns ...... just sayin'




Perhaps they were uninformed and just put up the WRONG sign and meant to put up THIS one:


(Why discriminate ONLY against responsible law abiding license holders who underwent extensive background checks and training? That is what a 30.06 sign does.)

The other thing a 30.06 sign does, is it informs robbers that it is less risky to rob that bank than one which does NOT have that sign ... think about it.

NO bank in my city would be foolish enough to put that 30.06 sign up.

(Feel free to print this and hand him a copy if you want, my observations aren't copyrighted )

[SpringerFan]

Thanks RPB! I will.

[RPB]

Thanks RPB! I will.

Sort of kidding in this post here, but you COULD tell him he should put up any sign here if he wants to keep out people legally openly carrying shotguns and rifles, which a 30.06 sign does not prohibit:
Here's some to prohibit openly carried AR-15s and shotguns, for which no license or background check is required and if only a 30.06 sign is there, perfectly legal in his bank if not displayed in a manner to cause alarm (Sec. 42.01. DISORDERLY CONDUCT http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/d ... /PE.42.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ) (until asked to leave, 30.05 tresspassing if you don't)


or, perhaps a generic "NO FIREARMS sign ...
http://www.google.com/images?q=no+firea ... CCYQsAQwAA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;




But this is essentially his current sign, if it really is a 30.06 sign

[RPB]

I'd just make sure the bank President knows what his sign SAYS and if that is the proper sign he desires to achieve his desired goal..... if the goal is consistent with a 30.06 sign, to disarm the ONLY good guys while advising robbers they'll be safer there than elsewhere, I'd shop elsewhere.

[LongHairedRedneck]

Back to the original subject. I checked their TABC license and its a "blue sign" license. So what does this mean? carry or no carry?

[joe817]

Back to the original subject. I checked their TABC license and its a "blue sign" license. So what does this mean? carry or no carry?

"Blue sign" means it's NOT a 51% establishment. Therefore you are good to carry there.

[RPB]

Back to the original subject. I checked their TABC license and its a "blue sign" license. So what does this mean? carry or no carry?

Blue Sign = Carry if you have a license

[joe817]

Blue Sign = Carry if you have a license

That's the most common sign I see at convenience stores & grocery stores. I look at is as a special invitation for me to come on in and shop there.

[LongHairedRedneck]

That is not the sign that they have posted. Theirs has the exact wordage ofa 51% sign but no red "51" on the sign, looks to be a relatively new sign so the 51 is not faded out.

[AJSully421]

I love to see this sign:





I always joke that this sign means "No Berettas Allowed"... well I carry a Glock so I am good to go.

[RPB]

That is not the sign that they have posted. Theirs has the exact wordage of a 51% sign but no red "51" on the sign, looks to be a relatively new sign so the 51 is not faded out.

In that case they posted the wrong sign. The license says for them to post the blue sign above
TABC provides both signs and the license tells them which to post, but some business owners are color blind.
The license rules over an incorrect sign posting, but if you notify TABC that the incorrect sign is posted, they'll investigate and notify the owner which sign (BLUE) to put up.Similar situation occurred and is posted here in a thread if you search for "Bowling Alley"

Actually, here's a link to the thread http://www.texaschlforum.com/viewtopic. ... ey#p408598" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

You won't need to state anything other than to tell TABC that they have a 51% sign up and they are actually a BLUE location, not RED. TABC will contact the proprietor and have them remove the sign and make sure they have the blue unlicensed possession signs up as appropriate.

TABC
Galveston Outpost - Compliance, Enforcement and Licensing Personnel
3717 Highway 3, Suite A
Dickinson, TX 77539
(281) 337-5611
Fax: (281) 337-5612
8:00 am - 12:00 pm, 1:00 pm - 5:00 pm Monday - Friday
http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/contact_us/ ... veston.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

OR, assuming there is NOT a 30.06 sign, just go by the license sign=blue and IGNORE the invalid sign and carry away. (Which should probably be OK if there is NOT red 51% on it anyway, probably just a sign they bought somewhere like a gunbuster sign and may not even be a 51% sign from TABC, but they SHOULD have up the BLUE signs anyway, which does not necessarily stop them from posting a 30.06 sign also after it's pointed out they need a different sign to prohibit licensees than the invalid one they put up ...I suppose ...)