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dicion wrote:

canvasbck wrote:

lowonair wrote:

canvasbck wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:30.06 and 51% are the only signs that CHL holders need to be concerned with. (Outside of Federal property.)

Chemical plants and refineries are also verbotten under federal law, no 30.06 sign required.

where did you get this info? if i am correct they arent under federal law at all.

I'll find the cite for you and post later. Under DHS, chemical plants and refineries have been deemed "critical infrastructure" by DHS and firearms are not allowed inside secure areas. IANAL, but I am the head of security at a chemical plant that is under MTSA regulations. I have read the law, but I don't have it immediately available.

Please do post a reference as soon as possible.

No offense, but until I see the actual federal regs, It's hogwash in my book.
It it does, indeed, turn out to be true, then it is something CHL instructors and pretty much everyone else on this forum needs to know.

No offense taken, I too am leary of statements without cites on the internet. I initialy started looking into the laws (through Coast Guard contacts) when I began to seek changing our company's procedures to allow less draconian firearm rules.

I did some digging at work today and found where I had seen the prohibition of firearms in chemical plants and refineries, and it's complicated. It was on the secure side of Homeport. As a result of Homeland Security Presidential Directive #7, (HSPD7), the Seceratary of Homeland Security was tasked with developing a plan for protection of all facilities deemed critical infrastructure. The secerataries plan included prohibiting of firearms from those facilities. This is enforced by DHS for DHS facilities and by USCG for MTSA regulated facilities through the Facility Security Plan requirements. Once it is in a facility's approved FSP, then violating it becomes a "breach of security" and the breach is inforceable. That is the simplest explanation that I can give.

Edit to add; If TS Alex does not have me too busy again tomorrow, I will follow up with the USCG inspector and see if I can find other relevent information that is available to the public.

Thanks for checking into this Canvasbck.

Now, I have a question, but not necessarily for you. I work for a company that might fall into this category, but we don't have near the security that a chemical plant or refinery has. Does this automatically mean that we do not fall under these laws? I really hope we do not, so I may carry to and from work when the parking lot law gets passed.

If you were regulated by either CFATS (DHS) or MTSA (USCG), trust me, you would know.

canvasbck wrote:If you were regulated by either CFATS (DHS) or MTSA (USCG), trust me, you would know.

That's the truth. Back when I was driving trucks (specialized hot-shot freight), I used to deliver to both regulated and unregulated (in this context) chemical plants, the Strategic Oil Reserve, and a few prisons.

Of the above consignees, the search and entry procedures of the maximum security prisons was the *least* invasive!!