Re: Is this not AMERICA anymore...
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:14 pm
No different than intentional failure to conceal.
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I never looked it up in the first place. Been speculating the whole time. As far as trespass, I know what it means in Texas. Not a clue what it means in Chicago.XtremeDuty.45 wrote:I think you need to look at the bubble zone ordinance again and also look up what trespass means.
The ordinance is below...A simple definition of a trespass is: "an entry to another's property without right or permission." That's the general idea behind both the civil and criminal law of trespass.
A person commits disorderly conduct when (s)he knowingly either:
(1) approaches another person within eight feet of such person, unless
such other person consents, for the purpose of passing a leaflet or
handbill to, displaying a sign to, or engaging in oral protest, education, or
counseling with such other person in the public way within a radius of 50
feet from any entrance door to a hospital, medical clinic or health care
facility, or
(2) by force or threat of force or by physical obstruction, intentionally
injures, intimidates or interferes with or attempts to injure, intimidate or
interfere with any person entering or leaving any hospital, medical clinic or
health care facility.
You can't have it both ways either. Both are arguably freedom of speech issues. I hate what the leaders of that mosque are doing in New York, but if you research my previous posts on the subject in another thread, you'll see that I also acknowledge their constitutional right to do what they are doing.SmoothFox wrote:Now what?
Can't have your cake and eat it too.
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I disagree with New York, but sure do like Chicago's stance.
The interesting thing about it, to me anyway, is that atheism is simply a belief system which cannot be empirically proven any more than can theist religious faiths. But, the First Amendment also protects the right of an atheist to practice atheism just like any other religion. And yet, practitioners of the atheism religion seem to be bent on doing whatever they can to prevent others from being able to practice their religions in the public square - kind of like the more militant aspects of Sharia law - under the misguided notion that they have some kind of constitutional right to not be offended by the religious practices of others.... again, much like militant Sharia.Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Arrogance on display, and it ain't pretty.SmoothFox wrote:Just another nitwit pushing the envelope.
I thought these kind of threads are against forum rules.
What if you think that requiring guns to be concealed is an infringement? Then your argument doesn't hold water.jester wrote:If requiring people to conceal their handguns in public doesn't infringe the right to keep and bear arms, then requiring someone to conceal their religion in public doesn't prohibit the free exercise thereof.
How so? If you think people have the constitutional right to do either openly, that's logically consistent as well.The Annoyed Man wrote:What if you think that requiring guns to be concealed is an infringement? Then your argument doesn't hold water.jester wrote:If requiring people to conceal their handguns in public doesn't infringe the right to keep and bear arms, then requiring someone to conceal their religion in public doesn't prohibit the free exercise thereof.
You misread my reply. I do believe that requiring weapons to be concealed is an infringement. Reread what I said. I realize that the law doesn't agree with that, and consequently I have a CHL so that I can carry a gun without getting arrested for it. But I still believe that, if the Constitution were correctly interpreted, then it would be legal for me to carry in the open, or concealed, as my conscience saw fit, and it would not be either the government's or your business whether I chose to carry openly, carry concealed, or not carry at all. Thus, I am being consistent with my prior assertions.jester wrote:How so? If you think people have the constitutional right to do either openly, that's logically consistent as well.The Annoyed Man wrote:What if you think that requiring guns to be concealed is an infringement? Then your argument doesn't hold water.jester wrote:If requiring people to conceal their handguns in public doesn't infringe the right to keep and bear arms, then requiring someone to conceal their religion in public doesn't prohibit the free exercise thereof.
However, since it's Chicago, it will probably require SCOTUS to overturn, at which point Chicago will pass more anti-religion laws.
Based on what was quoted from the Chicago law, someone openly preaching atheism outside a Catholic hospital would also be in violation.The Annoyed Man wrote:However, for your assertions to be consistent, then one who practices the religion of atheism must also be required to keep its practice concealed.
Which is why I added the qualifier:jester wrote:And despite Heller and McDonald, someone openly carrying a 1911 would also be arrested.
I realize that the law doesn't agree with that ["that" being my view of what infringement means], and consequently I have a CHL so that I can carry a gun without getting arrested for it.