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KaiserB wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:I am in favor of hunting. Let me get that out right up front. But I needed to say that to preface what I say next....

I don't see how any pain a lobster might feel is even an issue. I can't imagine that being shot through the heart and lungs is without pain for the animal we shot while hunting, and yet we don't concern ourselves with these things. As anyone who has ever shot a hog or a white tail knows, and animal can sometimes drop dead instantly upon being hit, or it can run 50 or 100 yards and die more slowly. We try to make it quick, but we're not always successful, and not much sleep is lost over whether an animal drops dead right there, or whether it runs before expiring - so long as we don't have to tramp around too long trying to find it.

A lobster dropped in a pot of boiling water certainly feels something like pain. But it's pain is also over within a second or two, which is less time than we usually expect it to take when shooting a large mammal. It can take longer than 2 seconds for a steer or a hog in an abattoir to die. So I ask, why do we even worry about it? If we consume animals, then pain is an unavoidable part of that consumption. The only way to truly avoid it is to not eat it.

I choose to eat it, and I accept all the consequences that come with eating it, including the probability of some pain for the animal I consume. If I couldn't live with that, I would be a vegetarian.

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You do realize if you become a vegetarian, there are studies that show plants are affected by you stealing their offspring and eating them. :)

Purplehood wrote:

KaiserB wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:I am in favor of hunting. Let me get that out right up front. But I needed to say that to preface what I say next....

I don't see how any pain a lobster might feel is even an issue. I can't imagine that being shot through the heart and lungs is without pain for the animal we shot while hunting, and yet we don't concern ourselves with these things. As anyone who has ever shot a hog or a white tail knows, and animal can sometimes drop dead instantly upon being hit, or it can run 50 or 100 yards and die more slowly. We try to make it quick, but we're not always successful, and not much sleep is lost over whether an animal drops dead right there, or whether it runs before expiring - so long as we don't have to tramp around too long trying to find it.

A lobster dropped in a pot of boiling water certainly feels something like pain. But it's pain is also over within a second or two, which is less time than we usually expect it to take when shooting a large mammal. It can take longer than 2 seconds for a steer or a hog in an abattoir to die. So I ask, why do we even worry about it? If we consume animals, then pain is an unavoidable part of that consumption. The only way to truly avoid it is to not eat it.

I choose to eat it, and I accept all the consequences that come with eating it, including the probability of some pain for the animal I consume. If I couldn't live with that, I would be a vegetarian.

+1

You do realize if you become a vegetarian, there are studies that show plants are affected by you stealing their offspring and eating them. :)

I can hear it now, "Peas don't do that!".

The Annoyed Man wrote:I am in favor of hunting. Let me get that out right up front. But I needed to say that to preface what I say next....

I don't see how any pain a lobster might feel is even an issue. I can't imagine that being shot through the heart and lungs is without pain for the animal we shot while hunting, and yet we don't concern ourselves with these things. As anyone who has ever shot a hog or a white tail knows, and animal can sometimes drop dead instantly upon being hit, or it can run 50 or 100 yards and die more slowly. We try to make it quick, but we're not always successful, and not much sleep is lost over whether an animal drops dead right there, or whether it runs before expiring - so long as we don't have to tramp around too long trying to find it.

A lobster dropped in a pot of boiling water certainly feels something like pain. But it's pain is also over within a second or two, which is less time than we usually expect it to take when shooting a large mammal. It can take longer than 2 seconds for a steer or a hog in an abattoir to die. So I ask, why do we even worry about it? If we consume animals, then pain is an unavoidable part of that consumption. The only way to truly avoid it is to not eat it.

I choose to eat it, and I accept all the consequences that come with eating it, including the probability of some pain for the animal I consume. If I couldn't live with that, I would be a vegetarian.