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There are a few churches that have already decided.

texas1234 wrote:Yeah and getting the ruling elders or church to agree on anyone particular issue would mean its off limits to everyone. Here is an example: a church member who doesnt want CHL's to carry would say, lets pray about it, they would pray, raise their head and say, nope its not a good idea to have concealed handguns. Another Church member who wanted concealed handguns would say, lets pray about it, they would pray, raise their head up and say yep I think we should allow CHL's.

And then, in some churches I know, the pastor would get in the pulpit and declare, "I heard from God and he said...." So, if he "heard" from God that might settle it. Maybe.

gigag04 wrote:Email them to yourself. Also take pictures and email those too.

Bonus points if you engrave your txdl # on TVs, radios, bikes, motorcycles, Tools, and heavy metal objects (often stolen for scrap)

Even more bonus points if you include the letters TXDL when you engrave the number. This will let an officer who finds it know what the numbers are for and he can run it to contact you, maybe before you even know it is missing. Include the x to make sure it gets identified as Texas instead of Tennessee.

Church carry has been legal in Texas since 1997.

I had to argue with my first CHL instructor on this matter in 2004. He did not have it straight either. Always read the entire section, and even chapter... sometimes there are exceptions at the bottom.

Russell wrote:I sure hope that when I renew here in a month or so I don't catch the instructor stating wrong information. I wouldn't be very good at keeping my mouth shut

Please don't keep your mouth shut if the instructor is stating wrong information. Better to correct him than the rest of the class be wrongly instructed about such life and death matters.

I would certainly question an instructor's misinformation, but try to do it in a non-threatening way. I wouldn't flat out tell them they are wrong. I would point out the statute incorrectly interpreted and ask them how they are able to interpret that the way they did.

Also, it's probably best to speak to an instructor one-on-one during a break if you think they've supplied misinformation.

KC5AV wrote:Also, it's probably best to speak to an instructor one-on-one during a break if you think they've supplied misinformation.

This is also an excellent way to handle this possibility, but there is the chance that the instructor will still not see the mistake. There are people I work with that either cannot or refuse to see some of their simplest mistakes even when several other people have tried to point it out to them.

If that situation were to arise, where an instructor fails to see that they are giving out incorrect information, what are we to do? How likely is it that this incorrect information would be a question on the written exam that the entire class could potentially answer incorrectly because of the instructors poor instruction?

C-dub wrote:

KC5AV wrote:Also, it's probably best to speak to an instructor one-on-one during a break if you think they've supplied misinformation.

This is also an excellent way to handle this possibility, but there is the chance that the instructor will still not see the mistake. There are people I work with that either cannot or refuse to see some of their simplest mistakes even when several other people have tried to point it out to them.

I have been for a long time, and still am, an instructor in many different subjects (skill and otherwise). I really do appreciate the times students correct me, because it means they're involved (in fact, they're aware that I will intentionally throw in (and then correct) an error on occasion, to keep them on their toes)! Often, depending on the subject, it eventually affects their safety.

Will I push back if I think I said it correctly? Of course, because I want them to state their rationale as to why I'm wrong; I often ask them to "look it up" and bring back the rationale if it's not clear at the time. Do I mind? Maybe for a moment (I care about being correct) -- but not for long. This is exactly what I want to happen!

I've been told I'm unusual that way in my subjects. I really don't know; hope not.

About the instructor possibly giving false information? It happens. We all make mistakes, even when teaching critical skills, much as we would like to hope it doesn't. While I care deeply about the job I do as an instructor, I have often been guilty of holding my instructors to a higher standard than I would ask of myself.

How we as instructors handle an error will depend on our philosophy of "teaching" (the instructor's job is to lead the learning; the student's job is to do the learning). How we as students handle an error will depend on our philosophy of "learning." We as students should always question and be ready to explain. Until we finally come up with those implantable chips that carry the total knowledge of the world, we will have these imperfect methods of passing along thoughts, skills, and ideas. Mistakes will happen, but will come out all right in the end when everyone does his/her job.

The bottom line: Mistakes happen, for many reasons. It takes everyone's involvement (not just those in the room), and that's why this forum was born. Read, consider, converse, question everything, question the answers. That's how we progress.

But maybe I'm preaching to the choir....

JMHO.

On preaching to the choir.

Every Sunday I preach to the choir also.
The choir needs preaching to, too.

Here I am the choir. You are right on & I for one appreciate it.
LT

OldSchool wrote:I have been for a long time, and still am, an instructor in many different subjects (skill and otherwise). I really do appreciate the times students correct me, because it means they're involved (in fact, they're aware that I will intentionally throw in (and then correct) an error on occasion, to keep them on their toes)! Often, depending on the subject, it eventually affects their safety.

Will I push back if I think I said it correctly? Of course, because I want them to state their rationale as to why I'm wrong; I often ask them to "look it up" and bring back the rationale if it's not clear at the time. Do I mind? Maybe for a moment (I care about being correct) -- but not for long. This is exactly what I want to happen!

I've been told I'm unusual that way in my subjects. I really don't know; hope not.

About the instructor possibly giving false information? It happens. We all make mistakes, even when teaching critical skills, much as we would like to hope it doesn't. While I care deeply about the job I do as an instructor, I have often been guilty of holding my instructors to a higher standard than I would ask of myself.

How we as instructors handle an error will depend on our philosophy of "teaching" (the instructor's job is to lead the learning; the student's job is to do the learning). How we as students handle an error will depend on our philosophy of "learning." We as students should always question and be ready to explain. Until we finally come up with those implantable chips that carry the total knowledge of the world, we will have these imperfect methods of passing along thoughts, skills, and ideas. Mistakes will happen, but will come out all right in the end when everyone does his/her job.

The bottom line: Mistakes happen, for many reasons. It takes everyone's involvement (not just those in the room), and that's why this forum was born. Read, consider, converse, question everything, question the answers. That's how we progress.

But maybe I'm preaching to the choir....

JMHO.

I have done a similar thing in my technical courses, tell them one thing, and then find out how much attention they are paying by diagramming it wrong on the board, usually with a significant pause and long stare at my audience. Of course I had the misfortune to be written up by a student, once, for "leering." I think she was the same one that wrote me up for using the recognized international standard designations for the gender of plug and sockets.

C-dub wrote:If that situation were to arise, where an instructor fails to see that they are giving out incorrect information, what are we to do?

Write or email DPS with your comments. You can contact the Concealed Handgun Licensing Bureau at :

REGULATORY LICENSING SERVICE MSC 0245
TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY
PO BOX 4087
AUSTIN TX 78773-0245

chl@txdps.state.tx.us

longtooth wrote:On preaching to the choir.

Every Sunday I preach to the choir also.
The choir needs preaching to, too.
LT

Being a choir member, I quite agree!!!