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Re: Kay's Jewelery 30.06
Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:40 pm
by bigred90gt
Katygunnut wrote:Here is the e-mail that I just sent to Jared's
I have been a loyal Jared's customer for many years and I purchased jewelry for both my wife and myself from your store near Southcenter in Tukwila, WA. I recently moved to Texas and I note that several of your locations in this state are marked with signs prohibiting the lawful carry of concealed weapons. The right of citizens to keep and bear arms has recently been affirmed by 2 separate Supreme Court decisions, and I find it very troubling that your company believes that restricting this fundamental right is a moral or ethical course of action.
Please let me know if you change your policy in this regard so that I can continue doing business with you in the future.
Be sure to post their response if you get one.
Re: Kay's Jewelery 30.06
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:07 am
by Katygunnut
bigred90gt wrote:Katygunnut wrote:Here is the e-mail that I just sent to Jared's
I have been a loyal Jared's customer for many years and I purchased jewelry for both my wife and myself from your store near Southcenter in Tukwila, WA. I recently moved to Texas and I note that several of your locations in this state are marked with signs prohibiting the lawful carry of concealed weapons. The right of citizens to keep and bear arms has recently been affirmed by 2 separate Supreme Court decisions, and I find it very troubling that your company believes that restricting this fundamental right is a moral or ethical course of action.
Please let me know if you change your policy in this regard so that I can continue doing business with you in the future.
Be sure to post their response if you get one.
As requested. Here is their response, along with my response. I'll see if they understand logic, but I'm not holding my breath. Their response looks like a form letter.
Kristen,
Thank you for the timely reply. I understand that your corporation is within its legal rights (under current law) to infringe on the fundamental individual right to keep and bear arms that is guaranteed in the US constitution. However, I am disappointed that your corporation believes this is an appropriate thing to do. Please note that the US Supreme court shares my belief that this is a fundamental individual liberty.
I disagree with your belief that this policy will somehow increase the safety and security of your customers and store employees. I am sure that you understand that this policy will only be respected by the most law abiding people that visit your stores. Criminals who intend to harm your customers and store employees are secure in the knowledge that they will not face armed resistance by any of their chosen victims on your premises. In my opinion, this will increase the likelihood that your stores are chosen for attack, and will decrease safety and security of your customers and store employees.
An individual that wishes to legally carry a concealed weapon must submit to a background investigation to ensure that they do not have a criminal past and that they have never had issues with mental competence. They must also demonstrate sufficient proficiency with the type of weapon they wish to carry, and must be educated on relevant laws governing the carrying of firearms. These are the SAFEST of your customers. Banning them from your premises does not in any way increase the safety and security of your customers and store employees.
Also, could you please clarify your statement below that "Jared has made the decision to ban weapons and anyone possessing them from entering the store." Does this apply to your own security personnel and law enforcement officers (on or off duty)? The last time that I was in one of your locations, I thought that the security officer was armed. However, I may have been mistaken.
Thanks again for taking the time to address my concerns. I also ask that you please do let me know if your company decides to change this policy in the future. I was recently forced to buy a $2,100 gift from another retailer as I do not feel safe or secure in your locations, and my 25th wedding anniversary is coming up soon. I would love to have the opportunity to buy my wife's anniversary gift at one of your stores, and am hopeful that this may be possible in the near future.
Thanks,
XXXXXX
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:03 AM, <
jaredccs@jewels.com> wrote:
Dear XXXXXXX,
I would like to respond to your e-mail concerning the Firearms/Weapons policy posted at our Jared the Galleria of Jewelry location.
Even though many states have laws permitting residents to carry concealed weapons and firearms, private employers have the right to ban weapons and prohibit persons with weapons from entering the premises. For the safety and security of our customers and store employees Jared has made the decision to ban weapons and anyone possessing them from entering the store.
Sincerely,
Kristen
Customer Care
Re: Kay's Jewelery 30.06
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:39 am
by VMI77
Katygunnut wrote: For the safety and security of our customers and store employees Jared has made the decision to ban weapons and anyone possessing them from entering the store.
Sincerely,
Kristen
Customer Care
Unless they have magical signs or invisible force fields that detect and block criminals from entering, they didn't ban weapons and
anyone possessing them from entering their stores, they only banned law abiding citizens. Thus their statement is a flat out lie. They banned law abiding citizens either for political reasons, or for liability reasons, but they don't have the intellectual integrity to tell the truth about it, so they put out some phony baloney about safety and security. I detest this kind of mealy mouth lying even more than their ant-gun attitude. And I don't even see the point, since the people they're feeding this nonsense to know it's nonsense.
Re: Kay's Jewelery 30.06
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:41 am
by gwashorn
thanks for the effort. If it means anything, I refuse to do business with them just for your reasons outlined. So they lose my business as well.
Gary
Re: Kay's Jewelery 30.06
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:46 am
by CainA
Can you get that letter to somebody higher on the food chain? Executive management perhaps.
-Cain
Re: Kay's Jewelery 30.06
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 11:59 am
by Katygunnut
CainA wrote:Can you get that letter to somebody higher on the food chain? Executive management perhaps.
-Cain
I'm sure I can. The name and contact info for their CEO, etc should be on their web site.
I may send it along with a copy of the receipt for the $2,100 ring that I (probably) would have bought at Jareds, but got at Tiffany's instead. My wife actually prefers Jareds and likes getting all her stuff cleaned at the same place.
The CEO undoubtedly does not open his/her own mail, but if nothing else this should get a forward to a department head coming from the "big boss". Usually a very effective tactic when dealing with companies, and one that I have used successfully for Wells Fargo and Real Media (owner of Rhapsody) in the past. In the Wells Fargo case, my wife accidentally short payed the last payment on an "interest free for a year" furniture financing by less than $1, and they wanted to charge me over $800 in back interest. A well thought out letter to their CEO, Head of investor relations, with copy to the appropriate regulatory agency did the trick. That letter quoted directly from the company mission statement and values and explained why I believed their stance was contrary to the professed values of their company, even though they were technically legally entitled to charge me the interest. I will try a similar approach in this case with Jareds. Just need to get some time to do some research.
Re: Kay's Jewelery 30.06
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:13 pm
by Katygunnut
OK.
A little quick research indicates that Jareds (and Kays) are divisions of Signet Jewelers Limited, which is a UK based company that is publicly traded on the NYSE. I think the UK ownership explains their attitude about guns to a great extent. However, I will see if I they have anything in their mission or values about respecting cultural diversity, and may take the angle that US citizens have a different regard for personal liberties than those in socialist / European countries.
Probably a waste of time given the circumstances, but it might be a fun exercise.
Re: Kay's Jewelery 30.06
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:19 pm
by A-R
Katygunnut, SUPERB job on your letter and follow up to their initial response. Please do send your letter and copy of your receipt to the CEO and other higher ups. It can't hurt, and it could help.
For anyone looking for jewelry in the Houston area, my mom lives on the northwest side and introduced me to her favorite jeweler who open carries a very nice looking 1911 on his hip while behind the counter. No 30.06 on the door and guy seems to be VERY gun friendly. I didn't ask, but maybe he'll even sell you some diamond-encrusted grips for your gun or something too
It's a small-time store in one of the shopping centers on the northwest end of the Willowbrook Mall area (FM 249 and FM 1960). This was about a year ago, and I don't know the name or exact address but a quick search of Google maps and I THINK this is the place:
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seems they also have a location in Webster
Re: Kay's Jewelery 30.06
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:27 pm
by jamisjockey
FWIW, I just took the wife this week to the Zales outlet in Pearland (watch shopping). Its the one right off 288 @ Broadway, next to Target. No postings of any kind.
Re: Kay's Jewelery 30.06
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:52 pm
by SpringerFan
Awesome job Katygunnut! Your hard work is inspiring. Kudos.
Re: Kay's Jewelery 30.06
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:19 pm
by fecnik
I would include the possibility of others (people that do indeed cherish their 2A rights) not spending anymore money at their stores for that reason. I know I'm not.
Re: Kay's Jewelery 30.06
Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:29 pm
by Katygunnut
fecnik wrote:I would include the possibility of others (people that do indeed cherish their 2A rights) not spending anymore money at their stores for that reason. I know I'm not.
I think thats implied, but it might be useful to lay out the magnitude of potential lost business for them. Does anyone know where I can get the number of CHL / CFL license holders for the US as a whole? Might be interesting for them to see the number of potential customers that they are banning with this policy.