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boba wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:Our constitution speaks to the gun thinghy but our founding fathers could not foresee the population explosion, abandoned children, welfare mothers, deadbeat fathers, etc., ad nauseum that are forced on us in this day and time.

There were many orphans in the colonies pre-revolution and also during westward expansion. There were also many "oops" pregnancies back then. What the founding fathers didn't foresee is income tax (it required an amendment to the constitution) and socialist programs like welfare, AFDC, social security, ad nauseam.

BINGO! That was then and this is now.

why are we judging her for going to planned parenthood ?? is that really the issue here ????

FWIW, it may be another case of them purposely putting up something inaccurate to appease anti's as well as knowing the law ..

TNT wrote:why are we judging her for going to planned parenthood ?? is that really the issue here ????

FWIW, it may be another case of them purposely putting up something inaccurate to appease anti's as well as knowing the law ..

No one is judging her so far as I can tell. I haven't seen a single post about RO. Discussing the history of the place and its connections to gun control is directly pertinent to understanding their intent in posting a 30.06 sign. Because of their institutional dependence on gun control, I think it is close to impossible that the sign is intentionally invalid.

Hoi Polloi wrote: Because of their institutional dependence on gun control, I think it is close to impossible that the sign is intentionally invalid.

I agree. I wasn't surprised that they posted it, but just surprised that's been unposted for the past 3 years and now all of the sudden a sign pops up.

Talked to hubby and we can't afford to go elsewhere for now, but he told me to start looking around for other ways to get my pills so that when we can make a change, I'll have it all figured out.

Margaret Sanger, the founder of PP:
(For those of you so blinded by your personal and/or political bias to ignore the truth behind this organization)

In her own words with references cited:

On blacks, immigrants and indigents:
"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people.

On sterilization & racial purification:
Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.

On the right of married couples to bear children:
Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932.

On the purpose of birth control:
The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)

On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:
"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12

On the extermination of blacks:
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)


Any questions on the origins of PP now?


It's based on Eugenics... So was the extermination of Jews in Germany.
This was and is very popular with progressives, even today. Don't be fooled. Today it's gone beyond racism and now just applies to all human and personal freedoms in the name of things such as: the environment, the economy, equality, social justice....

Hoi Polloi wrote:Planned Parenthood and Gun Control have the same root origin and specific purpose, arising out of the eugenics movement and emancipation and failed re-colonization efforts following the end of American slavery. They kinda go hand in hand and are dependent on each other. I wouldn't expect anything else.

Read Justice Thomas' opinion in the McDonald case (here, starting on Page 67) and then watch the movie Maafa 21 (available on YouTube and in places [url=ttp://www.tudou.com/programs/view/3s6MHdSdehA/]such as this[/url]) and you'll see the intertwined history of the two.

What Hoi Polloi said.

randomoutburst....Sorry, you're probably not asking this. Have you tried Wal Mart Pharmacy? They have some excellent discounts - especially if you can go with a generic. Might help.

PeteCamp wrote:randomoutburst....Sorry, you're probably not asking this. Have you tried Wal Mart Pharmacy? They have some excellent discounts - especially if you can go with a generic. Might help.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I just don't trust generics. Birth control pills already have much less estrogen in them than they did when first introduced, which is why taking at the same time each day is important. Generics are allowed to vary the active ingredient between 80% and 125% of the "name brand" specifications, and if it has less than the name brand dose...that could mean they aren't as effective. This isn't as big a deal with other medications, but I wouldn't trust a generic birth control pill if it could mean I'm getting less of the active ingredient which could lead to lapses in coverage and therefore not perform its duty as it should.

A lot of the cost problem is seeing an actual gyno (not the PP one) and of course the cost of the pills. I don't have insurance so the doctor visit is the hardest hit for me. As I said, my hubby told me to start looking around at alternatives to PP, but we just can't make the financial adjustment right now.

Ignore the PP sign, it doesn't apply to you. Furthermore, Margaret Sanger is dead.

You and Hubby are to be complimented for intelligently planning your family. Family planning is a personal matter and it is no business of the government, your neighbors or "anything" or anybody else.

SALUT!

Oldgringo wrote:Ignore the PP sign, it doesn't apply to you. Furthermore, Margaret Sanger is dead.

You and Hubby are to be complimented for intelligently planning your family. Family planning is a personal matter and it is no business of the government, your neighbors or "anything" or anybody else.

SALUT!

Thanks. We just want to make sure that we are financially stable before we start a family. We're also trying to plan ahead and help our kids save for college - something we didn't have from our parents, but could have really used. About 6 years down the road we'll see how our plan is looking, and go from there. In the meantime, I'll have to either disarm or be very conscientious when I pop in a for a few minutes to grab the pills. I probably won't disarm, for the record, but if they fix the sign I will be forced to.

randomoutburst wrote:

zero4o3 wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:

zero4o3 wrote:along with the size not being correct, its not the right colors either? looks like blue paper I thought it ws very specific about black on white? (or do I have that backwards)

Law just says "Appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height".

I went and looked it up after posting that I stand corrected on the contrasting collors

It is on black and white, but it's on the inside of a heavily-tinted window, which is why it looks blue. It's also near invisible to anyone standing outside, rendering it useless to them.

Hoi Polloi, I know and wasn't really surprised that they're intertwined, just surprised that they've only now decided to put up a sign - and an unenforceable one at that. I'd like to get my pills elsewhere, but I can't beat their student discount and I really need it since I'm not insured. I'm going to start asking around and checking with my doctor to see where else I can get the prescription anyway, but I'm not going to be able to make a change for the next few months anyway. >_< Ugh!!

Thats the tought part about voting with our feet to spend money elsewhere. Actually not something I even considered before in my ardent defense of private property rights.
Allowing certain places to post off limits to CHL carriers essentially means that certain people must decide between going without essential liberty, or essential goods.
Opens up a whole new discussion.....

Oldgringo wrote: Furthermore, Margaret Sanger is dead.

So are Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, and Madison. Should we ignore them or what they created? What's your point?

Hitler is dead too. So today's Nazis are ok?

Nice logic.

The origin of PP is extremely relevant.

G192627 wrote:

Oldgringo wrote: Furthermore, Margaret Sanger is dead.

So are Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, and Madison. Should we ignore them or what they created? What's your point?

Hitler is dead too. So today's Nazis are ok?

Nice logic.

The origin of PP is extremely relevant.

There are too many people minding other people's business. I reckon that's my point.

What's your problem, you think there aren't enough hungry people in the world?

[quote="Oldgringo"]There are too many people minding other people's business. I reckon that's my point.... [quote]

I so enjoy agreeing with you OldGringo. This very valid statement of yours reminds me of an e-mail siggie I saw recently. While it is clearly subject to serious debate, I think it is still at least slightly on topic:

I certainly don’t support WikiLeaks putting our diplomats at risk, and so far I have seen no evidence of this having happened, but I do wonder if maybe this will give our leaders some perspective on how it feels to have your private business intruded upon by folks who claim to be serving the greater good.

Elmo