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cowboymd wrote:From the article....

As an unprecedented number of American guns flows to the murderous drug cartels across the border, the identities of U.S. dealers that sell guns seized at Mexican crime scenes remain confidential under a law passed by Congress in 2003.

A year-long investigation by The Washington Post has cracked that secrecy and uncovered the names of the top 12 U.S. dealers of guns traced to Mexico in the past two years.

So, wasn't there a law broken here?

Which law is that?

The problem is not caused by guns. The problem is caused by U.S. demand for illegal "forbidden fruit". It's deja vu all over again.

This is being brought up elsewhere as a reply to my question "What would you do, make guns illegal so we are as safe as Mexico?"

They reply; it's all coming from Texas/USA/Carter Country/Houston ...

to which I reply

Examine this :

The stats don't support that most, or even a significant number, of "drug lord guns" are from the USA. Granted some are; burglaries do occur and stolen guns appear in criminals hands, because they can't buy them legally.

Example:
The machine gun death of the man on Falcon Lake:

Fact:
Firearms are also manufactured in Brazil, Venezuela, Philippines, Russia, Hungary, China, and many Countries; imported to the U.S. with appropriate taxes/customs paid and paperwork processed.

Proposal:
A U.S. Citizen fills out the Federal BATF documentation and State documentation to purchase a machine gun and pays the fees in asddition to the thousands of dollars for the gun itself, then takes a chance of getting caught (30 years in Mexican Prison) AND driving to meet with Mexican Drug Lord murders expecting to profit from a sale rather than die? (I'd bet he'd get killed so drug lords cut the expense and maximize profit on the transaction)

Perhaps, in reality, this is why Mexico is building a wall at their SOUTHERN border? To keep the smuggling and illegal immigrants out of Mexico?

http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=52838" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Another Wall Blocks Route to U.S.
By Danilo Valladares

GUATEMALA CITY, Sep 15 , 2010 (IPS) - Travelling without documents to the United States from Latin America can turn into an odyssey, in which migrants have to elude common criminals and drug traffickers along the way, not to mention the laws on migration. But now another obstacle is emerging: a wall between Guatemala and Mexico.

According to the head of customs for Mexico's tax administration, Raúl Díaz, in order to stop boats carrying contraband, the southern Mexican state of Chiapas is building a wall along the border river Suchiate, similar to the one the United States is building along its southern border with Mexico.

"It could also prevent the free passage of illegal immigrants," admitted the Mexican official.

http://www.highstrangeness.tv/3868-wall ... order.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
“Wall of Violence ” on Mexico’s Southern Border

That entire thing is making my blood pressure soar. That the anti-gun press repeats this stuff ad nauseum without even questioning the motivation of the source is soooooo infuriating. It's been all over the news here in the DFW metoplex.
Mexico is profoundly unwilling to face it's policy of striping guns from it's honest citizens is an utter failure. Now, the political pressure is on to make our government take ours too in an equally misguided belief this will somehow make a dent in the crime there.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

cowboymd wrote:From the article....

As an unprecedented number of American guns flows to the murderous drug cartels across the border, the identities of U.S. dealers that sell guns seized at Mexican crime scenes remain confidential under a law passed by Congress in 2003.

A year-long investigation by The Washington Post has cracked that secrecy and uncovered the names of the top 12 U.S. dealers of guns traced to Mexico in the past two years.

So, wasn't there a law broken here?

Which law is that?

As an unprecedented number of American guns flows to the murderous drug cartels across the border, the identities of U.S. dealers that sell guns seized at Mexican crime scenes remain confidential under a law passed by Congress in 2003.
A year-long investigation by The Washington Post has cracked that secrecy and uncovered the names of the top 12 U.S. dealers of guns traced to Mexico in the past two years.

TexasGal wrote:That entire thing is making my blood pressure soar. That the anti-gun press repeats this stuff ad nauseum without even questioning the motivation of the source is soooooo infuriating. It's been all over the news here in the DFW metoplex.
Mexico is profoundly unwilling to face it's policy of striping guns from it's honest citizens is an utter failure. Now, the political pressure is on to make our government take ours too in an equally misguided belief this will somehow make a dent in the crime there.

Yes it's infuriating - here is what I see is the process of intentional misinformation;

Real events according to FBI data and GOA report June 2009;
29,000 guns recovered on 2008-2007,
11,000 sent to the FBI,
6,000 were successfully traced,
5,114 of those were confirmed to be of US origin,
Therefore 5114 / 6000 = 85%

All well and good so far... but this morphs into;

Story communicated by various .gov and media outlets;
75,000 guns recovered in Mexico (from a different set of unsubstantiated data),
85% (percentage figure from calculation above, and now used independently of the original facts or context) come from the US,
Therefore 63,750 guns came from the US.

You then see the 63,750 number (often rounded upto 65,000) bandied about as fact, when it clearly isn't. Infact, all a politician needs to do is say '85%', 'guns', 'US' and 'Mexico' and the uninformed and easily led fill in the rest for themselves, with the help of the complicit media.

TexasGal wrote:That entire thing is making my blood pressure soar. That the anti-gun press repeats this stuff ad nauseum without even questioning the motivation of the source is soooooo infuriating. It's been all over the news here in the DFW metoplex.
Mexico is profoundly unwilling to face it's policy of striping guns from it's honest citizens is an utter failure. Now, the political pressure is on to make our government take ours too in an equally misguided belief this will somehow make a dent in the crime there.

slightly off topic but..... I like a lot of what you post, and if I wasn't already married, I'd be sweet talkin' you.

back on topic (kinda).... I know some folks have had issues with Bachman Pawn & Gun. However, since they made the "list", I stopped by last
Wednesday and told Gene my next new gun was going to be purchased from Bachman Pawn. I guess I'm rewarding bad behavior? We both had a good laugh.

The woman who wrote this article was on Greta Van Susteren on Friday. Seemed to me to be the same old anti-gun misinformation campaign with the Mexico angle thrown in to try and get some traction.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4467463/shoc ... t_id=86925

So. Much. Nonsense. . . from this article. So easy for other papers to fill up space running previously written pieces from staff of other entities.

The D.F. needs to get their "stuff" together. How it can shift the blame up north and we eat it up with a spoon is beyond me?

I've grown more than tiresome of this whole dog-and-pony bureaucratic blame game. D.F. lets this go for so, so long...now they are out-gunned and point fingers northward. Time for the Districo to respond a bit more directly, and forcefully. So you now out-gunned? Well work on it.
Enough of this other stuff.

Mexico is a beautiful country, but its Federal Government have let the northern mex. states go, without much energy spent, for too long. Mexico City, this neglect has been so much of your own mess. You were on the lazy-boy for too long!

Now... just imagine if we made alcohol illegal again. All the mescal and sotol heading up this way.

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Guns are relatively harmless on their own.

Is the ammo tied to Hungary or Russia or China?

Probably cheaper to buy it in Brazil, Venezuela ...

One mo' time:

The problem is not guns, the problem is not drugs, the problem is the obscenely high profits to be made by feeding illegal U.S. drug demands.

Legalize the drugs and the profit and the problem goes away...sorta' like the repeal of Prohibition did back in 1933. Of course, legalizing the illegal drugs will put a lot of government, and other, people out of work and might even eliminate a few government agencies ( ).

I wouldn't start taking non-presciption drugs if they were legal; how about you, your kids and the people you know? There won't be any more people taking drugs if they were legal than there are now. Legalizing alcohol sales doesn't/didn't create a rise in alcohol consumption and/or dependency and that's a fact.

Morality can not be dictated nor can it be legislated, you either got it or you don't.

Oldgringo wrote:One mo' time:

The problem is not guns, the problem is not drugs, the problem is the obscenely high profits to be made by feeding illegal U.S. drug demands.

Legalize the drugs and the profit and the problem goes away...sorta' like the repeal of Prohibition did back in 1933. Of course, legalizing the illegal drugs will put a lot of government, and other, people out of work and might even eliminate a few government agencies ( ).

I wouldn't start taking non-presciption drugs if they were legal; how about you, your kids and the people you know? There won't be any more people taking drugs if they were legal than there are now. Legalizing alcohol sales doesn't/didn't create a rise in alcohol consumption and/or dependency and that's a fact.

Morality can not be dictated nor can it be legislated, you either got it or you don't.

Aye.

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't rick perry saying he'd like to put troops in Mexico?

OG, the only thing you're forgetting is that ending prohibition didn't end the mobs, just their alcohol profits. These drug cartels have so much money and power that if we do legalize we better has a plan to neutralize whatever theyll start doing to make money next. I suspect human trafficking into the us would become a lot more vicious and dangerous. Perhaps legalizaton along with building a darn fence already...

74novaman wrote:OG, the only thing you're forgetting is that ending prohibition didn't end the mobs, just their alcohol profits. These drug cartels have so much money and power that if we do legalize we better has a plan to neutralize whatever theyll start doing to make money next. I suspect human trafficking into the us would become a lot more vicious and dangerous. Perhaps legalizaton along with building a darn fence already...

I for one am looking forward to getting my crack cocaine unadulterated and approved by the FDA. Also, have any of you had any of that Mexican Meth they're bringing into Arizona? The stuff they cut it with is rat poison.... . I assume big pharma companies will clean this stuff up. There will still be a chance to profit after legalization, too. I'm thinking of opening an opium smoking club and heroin bar. No beverage alcohol served, so presumably no 51% sign. I assume you'll have to be 21 to indulge, but I think I'll set up a chain of pill clubs in Austin and College Station to cater to the university crowd.

Now a question that comes up is...Is one snort of powder cocaine intoxicated under 46.035? Maybe it's up to the cop's discretion. I, for one, intend to be only a social snorter. Maybe a 100 milligrams with a nice meal. LSD trips I will reserve for home use.