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speedsix wrote:CONVICTED

There is one that I know of, and was not convicted.
However, that does not mean that person did not have to deal with being hand cuffed.
taken off to jail
Processed
Got a lawyer
spent lots of money
lots of time
lost income
etc
etc
etc
to get either found "not guilty" or finally having the charges dropped.

If he sees this thread, he may comment and others that know him may comment with his info, I just read the accounts on this forum.

Teamless wrote:

speedsix wrote:CONVICTED

There is one that I know of, and was not convicted.
However, that does not mean that person did not have to deal with being hand cuffed.
taken off to jail
Processed
Got a lawyer
spent lots of money
lots of time
lost income
etc
etc
etc
to get either found "not guilty" or finally having the charges dropped.

If he sees this thread, he may comment and others that know him may comment with his info, I just read the accounts on this forum.

If you're talking about Handog it had nothing to do with a PC 30.06 sign. He was charged w/ failure to conceal under 46.035 and the charges were dropped pre-trial, though that doesn't negate the trouble up to that point.

yes thanks, but it was more the # 1 of the question '

speedsix wrote:1)How did it become apparent that someone was carrying?

Someone saw Handogs weapon and he had to fight the law on it, even though it was an accidental unconcealment

In the same situation, if you walk past a 30.06 and don't have your weapon show, there are no issues, keep it concealed.

NO- I am not advocating breaking the law and walking past a valid 30.06 sign

Teamless wrote:

speedsix wrote:CONVICTED

There is one that I know of, and was not convicted.
However, that does not mean that person did not have to deal with being hand cuffed.
taken off to jail
Processed
Got a lawyer
spent lots of money
lots of time
lost income
etc
etc
etc
to get either found "not guilty" or finally having the charges dropped.

If he sees this thread, he may comment and others that know him may comment with his info, I just read the accounts on this forum.

A good attorney should be able to turn one of these "etc"'s into "win a lawsuit for unlawful arrest, false imprisonment, and harrassment, and get more than adequate compensation for all of the above", especially in jurisdictions where the police force has previously been informed that the 30.06 sign in question is not valid.

I get tired of the sentiment that I should avoid lawful activities, because some LEO may arrest me anyway due to their ignorance of the law, or bias against a law. By this line of logic, I am only safe if I stay holed up in my house, lest some LEO arrest me for a variety of things which are not illegal.

Katygunnut wrote:

Teamless wrote:

speedsix wrote:CONVICTED

There is one that I know of, and was not convicted.
However, that does not mean that person did not have to deal with being hand cuffed.
taken off to jail
Processed
Got a lawyer
spent lots of money
lots of time
lost income
etc
etc
etc
to get either found "not guilty" or finally having the charges dropped.

If he sees this thread, he may comment and others that know him may comment with his info, I just read the accounts on this forum.

A good attorney should be able to turn one of these "etc"'s into "win a lawsuit for unlawful arrest, false imprisonment, and harrassment, and get more than adequate compensation for all of the above", especially in jurisdictions where the police force has previously been informed that the 30.06 sign in question is not valid.

I get tired of the sentiment that I should avoid lawful activities, because some LEO may arrest me anyway due to their ignorance of the law, or bias against a law. By this line of logic, I am only safe if I stay holed up in my house, lest some LEO arrest me for a variety of things which are not illegal.

FWIW, I think that you're right. There are always forum questions that beg for a test case's resolution. Go for it! We're not talking about any issue that your money, over time, can't cure.

Oldgringo wrote:There are always forum questions that beg for a test case's resolution.

like the 30.06 at government buildings during gun shows!

Teamless wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:There are always forum questions that beg for a test case's resolution.

like the 30.06 at government buildings during gun shows!

And like carrying a handgun concealed with a CHL (or as a peace officer). Since CHL/PO carry (46.15) is only a defense to prosecution, I don't know how you guys bear the risk of carrying. I guess enough of your hard earned money will handle the combination of anti-CHL cop and DA... After the proverbial "ride", pre-arraignment jail and hearings, I hope you're happy when you finally prove that it is OK to carry with a CHL. Me, I prefer to stay at home under my covers hoping that I don't do anything to attract the attention of the forces of law and order. I'm still sick with worry over the fact that I tore the mattress tag off my bed. Under penalty of law, no less.

ScottDLS wrote: And like carrying a handgun concealed with a CHL (or as a peace officer). Since CHL/PO carry (46.15) is only a defense to prosecution, I don't know how you guys bear the risk of carrying. I guess enough of your hard earned money will handle the combination of anti-CHL cop and DA... After the proverbial "ride", pre-arraignment jail and hearings, I hope you're happy when you finally prove that it is OK to carry with a CHL. Me, I prefer to stay at home under my covers hoping that I don't do anything to attract the attention of the forces of law and order. I'm still sick with worry over the fact that I tore the mattress tag off my bed. Under penalty of law, no less.

Don't let us hold you back. As the Bard wrote, "Lead on, McDuff".

ScottDLS wrote:

Teamless wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:There are always forum questions that beg for a test case's resolution.

like the 30.06 at government buildings during gun shows!

And like carrying a handgun concealed with a CHL (or as a peace officer). Since CHL/PO carry (46.15) is only a defense to prosecution, I don't know how you guys bear the risk of carrying. I guess enough of your hard earned money will handle the combination of anti-CHL cop and DA... After the proverbial "ride", pre-arraignment jail and hearings, I hope you're happy when you finally prove that it is OK to carry with a CHL. Me, I prefer to stay at home under my covers hoping that I don't do anything to attract the attention of the forces of law and order. I'm still sick with worry over the fact that I tore the mattress tag off my bed. Under penalty of law, no less.

Thread hijack!
Read the tag. Urban legend. They all say illegal to remove except by the consumer.

jamisjockey wrote:Thread hijack!
Read the tag. Urban legend. They all say illegal to remove except by the consumer.

They do now, but this was not always the case.

Keep your self-defense tools concealed and your mouth shut. Ignorance of the law on their part is to our advantage.

...there it is...conceal right and the "issue" won't come up...unless you have an especially guilty-looking face...there were those who told the Patriot Fathers "You're Gonna Get in Trouble"...and here we are...I refuse to live in fear and give up the rights clearly spelled out in the law, just because a LEO or City Attorney might not know what he's doing...they can be educated...62 years old and carried since I was 14...right and wrong...never had a problem...carrying only legally now doesn't make me quiver...instead of the sniping at those who want to excercise ALL of our rights...we ought to be supporting them...the law is not just for US to obey...but also for THEM...the Executive branch of gov't...but that seems to be forgotten these days...
...sometimes we DO have to pay a price for what we believe and to protect our rights...whether in combat, the workplace, or on the streets...but what if everyone was of the "don't want no trouble" mindset???????? That's what those who would oppress us are counting on....I'll finish out my life doing what the law allows...worked well so far...

WildBill wrote:

jamisjockey wrote:Thread hijack!
Read the tag. Urban legend. They all say illegal to remove except by the consumer.

They do now, but this was not always the case.

As hungry as I once was, I still can't consume an entire mattress. So, I started leaving the tags on so I don't get raided by the mattress police.

RPB wrote:

WildBill wrote:

jamisjockey wrote:Thread hijack!
Read the tag. Urban legend. They all say illegal to remove except by the consumer.

They do now, but this was not always the case.

As hungry as I once was, I still can't consume an entire mattress. So, I started leaving the tags on so I don't get raided by the mattress police.

It took me a minute to get that.