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rmr1923 wrote: i doubt most people would do something like that, but the fact that we even have to consider it alarms me... have you ever studied or read into the history of the Bolshevik revolution and what followed? simply accusing someone of being anti-communist/Leninist/Stalinist could land them in prison or in front of a firing squad. there's a fictional book by Robert Littell called The Revolutionist that gives a pretty good perspective of what the Bolsheviks (and paranoia in general) did to Russia and the USSR. i really hope we don't ever get to the point where someone can simply tell a policeman "hey i think that man may have a gun" and they'd get hassled/searched/arrested as a result.

Mark 13:12
Matt 10:21

"See something, Say something"
http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/pr_1291648380371.shtm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; WalMart? Seriously? (See peopleofwalmart)
http://www.securitymanagement.com/news/ ... ign-007950" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/pr_1297787995789.shtm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.mta.info/mta/security/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/0 ... 32038.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

except:
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/s ... t_12252010" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The one in Saginaw has a sign also and it is none compliant...no Spanish and probably not one inch lettering...I said something similar to the manager and got no response other than it came from corporate.

RPB wrote:

rmr1923 wrote: i doubt most people would do something like that, but the fact that we even have to consider it alarms me... have you ever studied or read into the history of the Bolshevik revolution and what followed? simply accusing someone of being anti-communist/Leninist/Stalinist could land them in prison or in front of a firing squad. there's a fictional book by Robert Littell called The Revolutionist that gives a pretty good perspective of what the Bolsheviks (and paranoia in general) did to Russia and the USSR. i really hope we don't ever get to the point where someone can simply tell a policeman "hey i think that man may have a gun" and they'd get hassled/searched/arrested as a result.

Mark 13:12
Matt 10:21

"See something, Say something"
http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/pr_1291648380371.shtm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; WalMart? Seriously? (See peopleofwalmart)
http://www.securitymanagement.com/news/ ... ign-007950" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dhs.gov/ynews/releases/pr_1297787995789.shtm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.mta.info/mta/security/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/0 ... 32038.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

except:
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/s ... t_12252010" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wal Mart is a well known terrorist hangout, much like Starbucks is to yuppies and college students... sounds like a solid campaign to me. i'm sure there are hundreds, if not THOUSANDS, of terrorist cells who've been rounded up as a result of Wal Mart employees reporting suspicious terrorist activity to their supervisors.

in fact the other day i saw a guy who seemed to be struggling with the decision on whether to buy 5w20 or 5w30, i'm sure he was trying to figure out which one would work better as a lubricant for his full-auto AK47, which i'm sure he shoots armor-piercing and incendiary rounds from. or maybe he owns a Ford and was just seeing if 5w30 would be cheaper than 5w20 since his engine is no longer under warranty.

USA1, et al:

The Cash American Pawn site at which you found the valid 30.06 posting
differs from the Cash America Pawn site in Lewisville where I got my Rossi.

The Lewisville branch (on Business 121, opposite Burger King, for local folks)
does have a sign which says "No loaded weapons allowed" but of course I walk
right past this while carrying, since it's not a valid 30.06.

It would seem stupid for a business that sells firearms to have a 30.06 posting.

Let us know if you write their corporate HQ, and what their response is.

By the way, which Cash America Pawn site is it? Tomball or somewhere else?

SIA

I drove by the one here (Marshall), and they have a 30.06, but it's English only.

surprise_i'm_armed wrote:USA1, et al:

The Cash American Pawn site at which you found the valid 30.06 posting
differs from the Cash America Pawn site in Lewisville where I got my Rossi.

The Lewisville branch (on Business 121, opposite Burger King, for local folks)
does have a sign which says "No loaded weapons allowed" but of course I walk
right past this while carrying, since it's not a valid 30.06.

It would seem stupid for a business that sells firearms to have a 30.06 posting.

Let us know if you write their corporate HQ, and what their response is.

By the way, which Cash America Pawn site is it? Tomball or somewhere else?

SIA

Serious question for any lawyers on the forum.

If a business has a valid 30.06 sign on the door, and they sell you a gun, then hand that gun to you in a case (concealed) while you are still in the store, are you in violation of section 30.06 by carrying that concealed handgun from the register / counter to the front door?

rmr1923 wrote:

Doug.38PR wrote: it probably will do no good as you say. Glad you stood up for pinciple. I would have not said anything though. This woman now knows that you regularly carry a handgun and are "passionate" about it. If she ever spots you in a crowd or in a restaurant she could tell a manager or policeman that "that man over there might very well have a gun." It could open you up to hasseling.

i doubt most people would do something like that, but the fact that we even have to consider it alarms me... have you ever studied or read into the history of the Bolshevik revolution and what followed? simply accusing someone of being anti-communist/Leninist/Stalinist could land them in prison or in front of a firing squad. there's a fictional book by Robert Littell called The Revolutionist that gives a pretty good perspective of what the Bolsheviks (and paranoia in general) did to Russia and the USSR. i really hope we don't ever get to the point where someone can simply tell a policeman "hey i think that man may have a gun" and they'd get hassled/searched/arrested as a result.

The very reason why injustices like Communism exists is because everyone is afraid to say anything. I applaud the OP for standing up to injustice. Yes, he's taking a risk, but if nobody took risks to stand up for what's right, then evil will prevail. It's like those stoplight video cameras. They're just another sneaky taxation without representation. A private firm is taxing us and this firm is not publicly elected. In South Dallas, they steal the stoplight cameras. Guess what? They've stopped installing them in Oak Cliff & South Dallas. In Plano and North Dallas, nobody steals the cameras. Guess what? We're being unjustly taxed. I'm going to buy that reflective stuff that prevents the traffic cams from working. I'm gonna run some lights to see if those sprays work or not. If the spray works, I'm going to spray my neighbors/friends/family's cars for free. That's my bit of civil disobedience and protest. What's yours?

drjoker wrote:

rmr1923 wrote:

Doug.38PR wrote: it probably will do no good as you say. Glad you stood up for pinciple. I would have not said anything though. This woman now knows that you regularly carry a handgun and are "passionate" about it. If she ever spots you in a crowd or in a restaurant she could tell a manager or policeman that "that man over there might very well have a gun." It could open you up to hasseling.

i doubt most people would do something like that, but the fact that we even have to consider it alarms me... have you ever studied or read into the history of the Bolshevik revolution and what followed? simply accusing someone of being anti-communist/Leninist/Stalinist could land them in prison or in front of a firing squad. there's a fictional book by Robert Littell called The Revolutionist that gives a pretty good perspective of what the Bolsheviks (and paranoia in general) did to Russia and the USSR. i really hope we don't ever get to the point where someone can simply tell a policeman "hey i think that man may have a gun" and they'd get hassled/searched/arrested as a result.

The very reason why injustices like Communism exists is because everyone is afraid to say anything. I applaud the OP for standing up to injustice. Yes, he's taking a risk, but if nobody took risks to stand up for what's right, then evil will prevail. It's like those stoplight video cameras. They're just another sneaky taxation without representation. A private firm is taxing us and this firm is not publicly elected. In South Dallas, they steal the stoplight cameras. Guess what? They've stopped installing them in Oak Cliff & South Dallas. In Plano and North Dallas, nobody steals the cameras. Guess what? We're being unjustly taxed. I'm going to buy that reflective stuff that prevents the traffic cams from working. I'm gonna run some lights to see if those sprays work or not. If the spray works, I'm going to spray my neighbors/friends/family's cars for free. That's my bit of civil disobedience and protest. What's yours?

here in Houston we recently voted to have those red light cameras removed. apparently they're still up and being monitored (not sure if tickets are being sent out) and the company that had the contract to run them has taken the City of Houston to court over the issue, claiming that having the proposition on the ballot was unconstitutional or something of that nature (i'm sure in court their case is that the City violated their contract). it'll be interesting to see which side will win, but in principle i'm definitely against the red light cameras. a lot of people just have the excuse that if you don't run red lights, you don't have anything to worry about. my view is that if we give an inch, the government will take a mile. i don't want to wake up some morning and find myself paranoid that everything i do once i step outside my door can be caught on camera. i don't routinely break the law (i don't always come to a complete stop before turning right on red ) but i just don't like the idea of cameras being everywhere watching over everything and everyone. but it's for our own good, right?

didn't mean to take this thread off track, but i do applaud the OPs initiative in educating this particular employee/manager/business, whether they take anything he said seriously or not.

and on the question of whether you'd be violating 30.06 by walking out the door with a purchased firearm, i'm pretty sure that you have to be carrying a concealed handgun pursuant to the authority provided by your CHL in order to be in violation of 30.06. since you don't have to have a CHL to walk into a gun store and walk out with a purchased weapon, i doubt you could be in violation of 30.06 just because you happen to have a CHL when you make the purchase. i never intend to find out though because i'll never buy any type of gun from a store that would prohibit me from legally carrying on their property.

Katygunnut wrote:If a business has a valid 30.06 sign on the door, and they sell you a gun, then hand that gun to you in a case (concealed) while you are still in the store, are you in violation of section 30.06 by carrying that concealed handgun from the register / counter to the front door?

I am not a lawyer, but I am sure that I know the answer.

The answer is NO. You are not in violation. It is a cased-weapon that you just purchased.

Purplehood wrote:

Katygunnut wrote:If a business has a valid 30.06 sign on the door, and they sell you a gun, then hand that gun to you in a case (concealed) while you are still in the store, are you in violation of section 30.06 by carrying that concealed handgun from the register / counter to the front door?

I am not a lawyer, but I am sure that I know the answer.

The answer is NO. You are not in violation. It is a cased-weapon that you just purchased.

Assuming the store sold you the handgun, you have a pretty clear claim to "effective consent" of the owner to be there with the handgun you just purchased.

PC §30.06. TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY
CONCEALED HANDGUN. (a) A license holder commits an offense if
the license holder:
(1) carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter
411, Government Code, on property of another without effective
consent;

A better question is...if you don't have a CHL, are you in violation of 46.02 Unlawful Carrying of a Weapon?