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Let's put it this way, I think "Gary why" was a redundant question and I know what I would have done under the circumstances.

jimlongley wrote:Let's put it this way, I think "Gary why" was a redundant question and I know what I would have done under the circumstances.

I thought "gary why" was just for the camera, deputy probably knew it was gonna happen and helped make it so.

Bullwhip wrote:

jimlongley wrote:Let's put it this way, I think "Gary why" was a redundant question and I know what I would have done under the circumstances.

I thought "gary why" was just for the camera, deputy probably knew it was gonna happen and helped make it so.

Somehow the media found out the details of when and where they were moving the scumbag. A reporter then informed the father.

I've been reading more about the current case. The 5 year old was listed as missing for 7 years before they found out he had been killed. The father had been actively searching for his son those seven years. He started drinking and pretty much lost everything in the process.
He was able to put his life back together. Had stopped drinking through the support of wife and family. Wife has passed away and the announcement of the early release has brought back all the old wounds. I don't think this father feels like he has much to lose.

jmra wrote:I've been reading more about the current case. The 5 year old was listed as missing for 7 years before they found out he had been killed. The father had been actively searching for his son those seven years. He started drinking and pretty much lost everything in the process.
He was able to put his life back together. Had stopped drinking through the support of wife and family. Wife has passed away and the announcement of the early release has brought back all the old wounds. I don't think this father feels like he has much to lose.

Exactly, and all of the intervening time ceases to exist, and he reacts the way he would if he were there and able to defend his precious child. Not guilty due to temporary insanity.

I stood in my front vestibule with a shotgun pressed against the forehead of a kid who came to my house in the middle of the night and told me in graphic terms what he was going to do to my young teenage daughter. He threatened me and tried to push me out of the way, at which point my wife, standing just out of sight, handed me my gun. I made him kneel and pray that I wouldn't pull the trigger (which wouldn't have done much good because she didn't load it) and when the cops arrived he tried to get them to arrest me for assault, they laughed in his face while leading him away in handcuffs.

I doubt that I would have hesitated to do the same if he had succeeded no matter how much time had passed.

jmra wrote:

Bullwhip wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nDXS_HJg8c

Remember that like it was yesterday. Lived in New Orleans when it happened. Have walked by that very spot in the airport many times. People wanted to give the guy a medal.

5 years probation for a premeditated head shot is as close to a medal as you can get for killing someone.

jimlongley wrote:

jmra wrote:I've been reading more about the current case. The 5 year old was listed as missing for 7 years before they found out he had been killed. The father had been actively searching for his son those seven years. He started drinking and pretty much lost everything in the process.
He was able to put his life back together. Had stopped drinking through the support of wife and family. Wife has passed away and the announcement of the early release has brought back all the old wounds. I don't think this father feels like he has much to lose.

Exactly, and all of the intervening time ceases to exist, and he reacts the way he would if he were there and able to defend his precious child. Not guilty due to temporary insanity.

I stood in my front vestibule with a shotgun pressed against the forehead of a kid who came to my house in the middle of the night and told me in graphic terms what he was going to do to my young teenage daughter. He threatened me and tried to push me out of the way, at which point my wife, standing just out of sight, handed me my gun. I made him kneel and pray that I wouldn't pull the trigger (which wouldn't have done much good because she didn't load it) and when the cops arrived he tried to get them to arrest me for assault, they laughed in his face while leading him away in handcuffs.

I doubt that I would have hesitated to do the same if he had succeeded no matter how much time had passed.

And you didn't kick the snot out of him?

He should have spent Weeks in the hospital before going to jail. He needed an attitude adjustment of the most severe kind.

OldCurlyWolf wrote:

jimlongley wrote:

jmra wrote:I've been reading more about the current case. The 5 year old was listed as missing for 7 years before they found out he had been killed. The father had been actively searching for his son those seven years. He started drinking and pretty much lost everything in the process.
He was able to put his life back together. Had stopped drinking through the support of wife and family. Wife has passed away and the announcement of the early release has brought back all the old wounds. I don't think this father feels like he has much to lose.

Exactly, and all of the intervening time ceases to exist, and he reacts the way he would if he were there and able to defend his precious child. Not guilty due to temporary insanity.

I stood in my front vestibule with a shotgun pressed against the forehead of a kid who came to my house in the middle of the night and told me in graphic terms what he was going to do to my young teenage daughter. He threatened me and tried to push me out of the way, at which point my wife, standing just out of sight, handed me my gun. I made him kneel and pray that I wouldn't pull the trigger (which wouldn't have done much good because she didn't load it) and when the cops arrived he tried to get them to arrest me for assault, they laughed in his face while leading him away in handcuffs.

I doubt that I would have hesitated to do the same if he had succeeded no matter how much time had passed.

And you didn't kick the snot out of him?

He should have spent Weeks in the hospital before going to jail. He needed an attitude adjustment of the most severe kind.

NY State laws at the time made it perfectly acceptable to hold someone at gunpoint if they invaded your home, or even shoot them, but beating them was a felony.

And later in the 70s a court in NY made it illegal to even hold them at gunpoint, or shoot them, if you had not exhausted all possible means of escape.

Actually, it was his mother who needed the attitude adjustment. She got all over my case for having her poor innocent and misunderstood, fatherless, son arrested. She would continue her vendetta all the way through the kids' high school and if I happened to run into her out somewhere (we lived a block or so apart) she would not hesitate to light into me. The police would not accept a complaint against her becase she did nothing threatening, at least according to them, an attempt to file an order against her was denied by the judge, becase she was not threatening, and a civil suit would have been next to useless because she had very little income.

The apple did not fall far from the tree and this is one of those rare instances where I know why her husband left her and don't blame him in the least.

jimlongley wrote: The apple did not fall far from the tree and this is one of those rare instances where I know why her husband left her and don't blame him in the least.

Did you ever gleefully inform her of that fact?

BTW, with someone that belligerent it is quite easy to push some buttons and make them go a bit too far. Just make sure it is done in front of some friendly witnesses. And be prepared to defend yourself when they lose it.

OldCurlyWolf wrote:

jimlongley wrote: The apple did not fall far from the tree and this is one of those rare instances where I know why her husband left her and don't blame him in the least.

Did you ever gleefully inform her of that fact?

BTW, with someone that belligerent it is quite easy to push some buttons and make them go a bit too far. Just make sure it is done in front of some friendly witnesses. And be prepared to defend yourself when they lose it.

Yes, and in unequivocal terms. We had been, if not friends, at least associated by circumstance, when the kids were in grade school, and we were all young families with low incomes sending our kids to the local parish school and barely able to cover the tuition, and some not even that. We had shared iced tea on the front steps, watched each other's kids, car pooled to games, the usual small community stuff, and this incident came without any prior indicators.

The government steps between the victims family and the alleged criminal. The government acts as a surrogate to determine guilt or innocence and determine appropriate punishment. This is to prevent blood feuds between families as was often the case with vigalante justice.

Sometimes the government in its desire for a social agenda, forgets why it is there.