FN 5.7x28 USG Five-Seven

[SecedeTX]

Update:

Went to my friends property north of Houston this evening and got to put a few rounds (ok over 150) and it was awesome. It was really easy to handle and keep on target, easy to get back on target after each shot, and I was shooting really tight groups. I have to get one now, and I am wondering how I can explain this to the wife.

We also put a few rounds through a number of AR's. A guy had self healing rubber targets that bounced around after they got hit. Pretty cool targets, and he said they were available at cheaper than dirt.

[Pawpaw]

Like this one? http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/TARGET200-1.html

I have one. It doesn't jump around much with .22LR or .223. I haven't tried it with anything bigger, but I bet 9mm & .45 ACP will make it dance!

[surprise_i'm_armed]

This thread is about the FN 5.7, not about the Ft Hood shooting.

Don't demonize the gun, blame the criminal.

I was not demonizing the gun.

Yes, this thread is about the 5.7.

Yes, that was what the guy used at Fort Hood.

Yes, we all blame the criminal no matter what firearm he was using.

Hence, IMHO, my entry above may have been of interest to the members.
Since this gun is being considered by some for self defense, they may look more
in depth at the number of rounds fired during the incident, the casualties, and
the effectiveness/not of this firearm, if used for valid self-defense.

Thank you.

SIA

[NcongruNt]

I don't really understand this gun/caliber or it's apppeal. It's really just a .22 Magnum (5.7x28 bullets are .224), but using jacketed bullets. Velocities are nearly identical to a .22 Mag, and I personally wouldn't consider a gun in that caliber as a primary (ore really even a secondary) carry gun. Ammo is expensive, and it's vendor-locked to FN. Does not compute.

[G.A. Heath]

I don't really understand this gun/caliber or it's apppeal. It's really just a .22 Magnum (5.7x28 bullets are .224), but using jacketed bullets. Velocities are nearly identical to a .22 Mag, and I personally wouldn't consider a gun in that caliber as a primary (ore really even a secondary) carry gun. Ammo is expensive, and it's vendor-locked to FN. Does not compute.

First off the 5.7x28 velocity is the same as a .22 magnum out of a rifle, out of a handgun the 5.7 performs significantly better than a 5.7.
As for the price of ammo, and being locked to FN, brass is available, so is load data, primers, and bullets.

And no I don't own one.

[Purplehood]

Houston's SWAT uses the 5.7 because it does not over penetrate. Supposedly the round tumbles after impact. I have not tested this but its not suppose to go through both sides of a sheet rock wall as it hits the second layer of sheetrock on its side. I read where the Houston SWAT killed a man and the autopsy showed the round cut the mans heart in half. I'm no expert here as you see I've used "supposedly" a lot.

What I can say from experience is I shoot the most accurately with this gun of any I have tried. Slow fire, rapid fire does not matter, I am consistently more accurate with this gun than any I own or have borrowed, save a .22 target pistol with a red dot sight.

It was designed as a substitute for a carbine for European Officers/NCO's. Think of a mini-M4/M16. Same concept for a round. It is in all likelihood an excellent candidate for a CHL carry weapon.

[OldCannon]

GunTests just did an evaluation of the 5.7 AR upper, and with it an analysis of the ballistic performance of the 5.7. Their general conclusion is that you would get more muzzle energy and far lower costs by sticking to a 9mm upper (if you were seeking a single round for both a pistol and a carbine). They still liked the round and the upper, but considered the overall costs to be far too high.

[karder]

Do I recall correctly that you originally sought yours for exactly those reasons, having to do with the situation along the border in the El Paso area?

TAM,
Yes, that is why I bought the FivenseveN. I am not sure I would have been terribly interested in it if I were not right on the border as it's size has some drawbacks. My personal preference is for 1911s and .357 or .44 revolvers.
We have a unique set of circumstances here that the rest of the country is not dealing with. El Paso was a very safe city last year (inside the city limits), but this year has not started off well. I try to stay as far away from trouble as I can, but things are bad and getting worse with this border war situation. Running into a pack of guys with Ak-47s while traveling in the county is not something to take lightly. Interestingly enough, this morning the DEA raided the town of Columbus, NM, just a little over an hour to the west and arrested the Mayor, two city councilmen, and the Chief of Police on drug trafficing charges. I have to drive up that way about once every two weeks and there is a lot of long and lonely road in between. See the Chief of Police get arrested does not make me feel secure in that area.

[Dave2]

Interestingly enough, this morning the DEA raided the town of Columbus, NM, just a little over an hour to the west and arrested the Mayor, two city councilmen, and the Chief of Police on drug trafficing charges. I have to drive up that way about once every two weeks and there is a lot of long and lonely road in between. See the Chief of Police get arrested does not make me feel secure in that area.

Maybe you should pick up a PS90 as well.

[surprise_i'm_armed]

Dave2:

karder's mama didn't raise no fools - he has a long weapon <M4 clone, IIRC> in
his vehicle as well as 1 or more pistols.

Stay safe, our El Paso friend.

SIA

[MadMonkey]

I don't really understand this gun/caliber or it's apppeal. It's really just a .22 Magnum (5.7x28 bullets are .224), but using jacketed bullets.

Uh oh, don't let the Secret Service know that

[Beiruty]

I would prefer PS90 over 57 Pistol. The PS90 makes a great sense for car/vehicle/home self defense. 50 rds, shot from the shoulder, plus effective rd to stop threat at 50 yrs or less is not that bad.

[Griffen]

The five-seven has been on my shopping list for awhile now. I almost bought one at the Gun show in the new Irving Convention Center a few weeks ago, but the vendor only brought one in stock and it sold on Saturday. I was there a day too late.

I don't think Wally world sells the 5-7 ammo, at least I haven't seen it there. Where is the best price for that ammo in the DFW area?

[Dave2]

The five-seven has been on my shopping list for awhile now. I almost bought one at the Gun show in the new Irving Convention Center a few weeks ago, but the vendor only brought one in stock and it sold on Saturday. I was there a day too late.

I don't think Wally world sells the 5-7 ammo, at least I haven't seen it there. Where is the best price for that ammo in the DFW area?

I haven't actually done any price comparisons, but Cheaper Than Dirt, Cabela's, and Bass Pro Shop all carry 5.7x28mm ammo (on their websites, anyway), and have at least one location in the DFW area. If you don't mind getting it online, there's also Midway USA or, straight from the only company that makes full-power loads for the general public, Elite Ammunition.

[shipwreck]

I have prev owned the Five Seven handgun - nice gun. I sold it to put the $ towards a custom 1911.

But, I do have two PS90s. Had the first one for 4.5 years now - bought the 2nd at the end of last summer. I really like them. Very ergonomic.