Nuge is fixin' ta tell an uppity Brit what's what

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I thought Nuge held his own. It wasn't the transcendant appearance he made with Texas Monthly a few years ago (a huge YouTube hit now), but that's because Morgan kept peppering him with the same tired argument (take away all the guns and you take away all the gun violence) and Uncle Ted tried to respond with 1. facts 2. analogies 3. humor 4. indignation but none of it would stick or even be acknowledged as a sound argument by the Brit.

About the only arrow left in Nugent's quiver would be the argument that even if it was possible for every gun to disappear tomorrow off the face of the Earth, you still don't solve the problem of violent crime. If there are no guns, criminals use the next best weapon they can find. And at the same time, good law-abiding people lose their best tool of self defense. A grandma in a rocking chair with a .38 has a chance against a home invader with a Jennings .25. With only a cane (and not a gun) she has much worse odds against a home invader with a knife, club etc. Ted tried to make this argument about criminals getting and using what they can find by bringing up molotav cocktails and explosives in Ireland, but it was a bit too esoteric and Morgan dismissed it as "terrorism" (as if that's somehow different enough from "regular crime" to render it a moot point :headscratch ) then cowardly claimed "I'm not from Ireland" (so what, the point is still valid! :banghead: ) ....

Uncle Ted missed a chance to go for the rhetorical kill shot on the less-guns=less-crime claim from Morgan, and I'm afraid he came off as a buffoon to many middle-of-the-road viewers who aren't invested heavily in this issue. But the points he did make were sound and backed up by reasoned arguments and facts - I'm just lamenting that the logic gets lost to the showmanship amongst those who we (as RKBA supporters) still need to influence to our side.

As always he was fun and entertaining to watch and I greatly enjoyed it from my personal perspective. But still wish he could have really put Morgan in his place in a way that would make the average American say "wow, he's got a point there" .... as with many public discussions of RKBA issues, this one preached to the choir (us being the choir) and may not have reached the masses quite as well as it could.

Still, I'm glad Uncle Ted is on our side. He is a great ambassador for RKBA.

And I - as someone who also never served - GREATLY appreciated the finality of his answer about not serving in the Armed Forces, saying that YES, the 17-year-olds who did go to Vietnam "are better men" than he was as a 17-year-old who says he was not mentally mature enough to do so. Publicly admitting that - especially after a nastily pointed line of questioning from Morgan basically calling Nugent a "chickenhawk" - is a welcome sign of maturity and self-awareness and show of respect for all who wear and/or wore the uniform. The finality of that response was Nugent's best point in the whole interview and unequivocally shut Morgan up and put the issue to rest.
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puma guy wrote:Ain't it great he calls Texas home!

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Yeah, and I didn't even know that until he said "my governor" shot a coyote, and I knew he had to be talking about Perry.
I always heard him called "the Motor City Madman," so I guess he's from Detroit. I had no idea where he was living now.
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puma guy wrote:Ain't it great he calls Texas home!

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Yeah, and I didn't even know that until he said "my governor" shot a coyote, and I knew he had to be talking about Perry.
I always heard him called "the Motor City Madman," so I guess he's from Detroit. I had no idea where he was living now.
Yeah his "ranch" or "compound" (in liberal media speak every guy who likes guns and lives on more than 1/4 of an acre is in a "compound") is around the Waco area. And he's a McLennan County reserve constable I believe, in addition to being a reserve sheriff in Michigan? He is originally from Michigan and even hinted at one point about running for governor there.
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I get his pro-rights stance and all the rest of it - but I stopped watching his TV show and have less respect for him after the episode where he put an arrow into a raccoon walking past his deer stand and exclaimed "...the only good raccoon is a dead raccoon..." The animal ran off to probably die somewhere. I do not condone the random taking of wildlife in such a frivolous manner.
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couzin wrote:I get his pro-rights stance and all the rest of it - but I stopped watching his TV show and have less respect for him after the episode where he put an arrow into a raccoon walking past his deer stand and exclaimed "...the only good raccoon is a dead raccoon..." The animal ran off to probably die somewhere. I do not condone the random taking of wildlife in such a frivolous manner.
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Raccoons are a nuisance and many people consider "shoot on sight" as the proper way to deal with them. I don't have a problem with it. Most of my hunting from when I was a little kid was "varmints," nuisances. We weren't after food or the pelt or anything else. We shot coyotes, prairie dogs, and jack rabbits. The farmers were glad to have us there doing it. Some things you shoot just because they're there, like exterminating ants and roaches.
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And vegans. :mrgreen:
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mgood wrote:Raccoons are a nuisance and many people consider "shoot on sight" as the proper way to deal with them. I don't have a problem with it. Most of my hunting from when I was a little kid was "varmints," nuisances. We weren't after food or the pelt or anything else. We shot coyotes, prairie dogs, and jack rabbits. The farmers were glad to have us there doing it. Some things you shoot just because they're there, like exterminating ants and roaches.
:iagree:

I'll put an arrow through the gut of a 300lb sow and leave it there...hey, the vultures need to eat too.

Now, the cute little 40lb-ers are some good eating! I'll throw that in a caja china and invite some friends over!
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Jasonw560 wrote:And vegans. :mrgreen:
And Terrorists! :reddevil
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mgood wrote:Raccoons are a nuisance and many people consider "shoot on sight" as the proper way to deal with them. I don't have a problem with it. Most of my hunting from when I was a little kid was "varmints," nuisances. We weren't after food or the pelt or anything else. We shot coyotes, prairie dogs, and jack rabbits. The farmers were glad to have us there doing it. Some things you shoot just because they're there, like exterminating ants and roaches.
I don't have issue with 'nuisance' animals where they are impacting a homeowner, farmer, or whatever - and that includes just popping a feral hog just to let it die. I am talking about a critter in the woods, not impacting anyone's property, not tearing up a feeder, just co-existing out there. When it becomes a nuisance or there is a requirement to supplement a food supply - then all bets are off.
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The Nuge is awesome.
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Jasonw560 wrote:
Oldgringo wrote:
Jasonw560 wrote:Surprise...Piers doesn't get it. :banghead:
Uncle Ted presenting him with facts, and he just blows them off...
Were you surprised?

Some of those people have forgotten, or didn't notice, that had it not been for Americans (the colonists) with their guns, many of them would now be speaking German instead of proper English.

Oh well... :patriot:
Not really. After Uncle Ted quoted the statistics from the FBI about how more guns=less crime, Piers still said, "I believe that in areas where there are more guns, more people get shot". :shock:

Totally ignored the facts, and went with his (unfounded) feelings.
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Where Piers points out about areas with more guns, more people get shot MAY be true in certain areas at certain times under certain circumstances...but, of course, it is common anti-2A gun control propaganda the way they skew the data to support it. They like to lump ALL shootings into one big pot to bolster their claims. They make no distinction between a thug blasting a liquor store clerk, a couple of drunk guys arguing and one shoots another, a suicide by firearm, and a "no-true-billed" type self-defense shooting. We, using our brains and understanding the differences, can see that these are distinct usages of the firearms. But those folks just like big numbers to scare the unaware or "scaredy cat" portion of the public (hate to say it like that, just not sure what to call them). Its just like them calling 25 year old gang bangers "child victims of gun play" or some other nonsense. The Nuge could have bent over backwards while standing on one foot and patting his head while quoting every firearms statistic perfectly, and it wouldn't have made any difference to the lefty talking head Brit. That type DOES NOT want to hear the truth...they hate self defense as a concept of individual liberty and anything they can do to make the USA more like Canada or the UK, they will do. There are a lot of the "mis-informed" out there, but there are also those who have NOTHING good in mind in regards to gun control...and as far as I am concerned, they are the ENEMY, plain and simple.
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austinrealtor wrote:
mgood wrote:
puma guy wrote:Ain't it great he calls Texas home!

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Yeah, and I didn't even know that until he said "my governor" shot a coyote, and I knew he had to be talking about Perry.
I always heard him called "the Motor City Madman," so I guess he's from Detroit. I had no idea where he was living now.
Yeah his "ranch" or "compound" (in liberal media speak every guy who likes guns and lives on more than 1/4 of an acre is in a "compound") is around the Waco area. And he's a McLennan County reserve constable I believe, in addition to being a reserve sheriff in Michigan? He is originally from Michigan and even hinted at one point about running for governor there.
Yup, somwhere near waco. If you haven't read his book "Ted,White and Blue" you should. My favorite part was when he mentions that while writing for it one morning a shipment of a pallet of ammo had just shown up. Ammo by the pallet!! What a guy!! He does make mention of his law enforcement positions, but also that he does call Texas home, but still has his place in Michigan to hunt the northern species. I believe he has more than a quarter acre in both states for hunting purposes, and that the Texas land gets a good bit of use for hog hunting with vets by guides that are friends of Ted's. Again, I highly suggest the book.
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A quarter of an acre? That's not very much land to hunt on. About the size of a residential lot.
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sjfcontrol wrote:A quarter of an acre? That's not very much land to hunt on. About the size of a residential lot.
Ted Nugent has more than a 1/4 acre.
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