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DocSA wrote:I was told by a very bad person

Does bad=bad or bad=good...those darn ebonics always confuse me

Here's my 2 cents.

Based solely on the knowledge that a potential target has a CHL, and with no other knowledge, I would say that person is more likely to be armed at any particular time when they are away from their house or car. More likely, but nowhere near a guarantee. That person is also more likely to be proficient with a firearm than a non-CHL holder. Again, not a guarantee. They are also more likely to be aware of their surroundings.

All this adds up in my mind to a general conclusion that the person with a CHL would be more difficult to kill than a non-CHL holder. So this part of the claim is bogus in my mind (at least when talking in general terms instead of specific potential targets).

I also think that the person doing the killing would be more likely to sustain a valid legal case of self defense if they were arrested and charged in court (since their target is more likely to have been armed with a deadly weapon). However, given the increased likelihood that the victim will put up a fight and may shoot back, the perp is also more likely to get arrested in the first place when they draw attention from witnesses with their running gunfight or when they go to the hospital to get some bullets removed. This may be a wash, and in any event would not be more than a slight net benefit to the "getting away with it" part.

Net-net, I think this person's conclusions are not founded in logic.

And for the record, I would also advise against divulging info about your CHL to others. Both parts of the analysis above get much worse for the bad guy and much better for the CHL holder if the bad guy is not aware that his target has a CHL prior to the attack.

I think the debate was actually over it being easier to "get away with" not that the person is actually easier to kill. As in when the case goes to court, they could build a defense easier.
But irregardless of weather that is true or not, You definitely should not go around telling people that you have a CHL. It's not a bragging right. Except when it's a competiton between you and your dad, and you scored a 250 and he got a 249 But otherwise, keep it to yourself.

I'm not getting the "easier to get away with it", part... Are they inferring that it would be easier to mount a defense because if you're a CHL holder you have a higher propensity for violence and the desire to use your weapon? Or "Well your honor my client knew they were armed and shot first!" both to me if I were sitting the jury (where I would not divulge openly I was a CHL holder) that defense would be useless and it would be based soley off of the evidence provided.

I'm thinking it may be slightly more difficult to "get away with it" based on the necessary classes and requirements to obtain a CHL in Texas that could show that the holder was trained about deadly force and knew when and where it was appropriate.

And, I know this horse is beat to a pulp but WHY tell anyone you're a CHL holder in the first place? Especially to a "BAD" person who may see your weapon as another means to obtain money by using it for crimes OR selling it...

I don't know... Just my 0.02

Bulldog1911 wrote:I think the debate was actually over it being easier to "get away with" not that the person is actually easier to kill. As in when the case goes to court, they could build a defense easier.
But irregardless of weather that is true or not, You definitely should not go around telling people that you have a CHL. It's not a bragging right. Except when it's a competiton between you and your dad, and you scored a 250 and he got a 249 But otherwise, keep it to yourself.

I was responding to the question posed in the original post:

I was told by a very bad person since I have a CHL it will be easier to kill me and get away with it. He, as far as I know, does not have a CHL, does it make it easier for a person to kill someone with a CHL and get away with it?
A bit confused, not looking for a gun fight, I'll get rid of it if that's the case!

I read the word "and" to mean that there are 2 assertions made by the "very bad person"
1. It is easier to kill someone that has a CHL; and
2. It is also easier to "get away" with said killing.

Presumably "getting away" means to not be incarcerated or suffer negative legal impact, and these have a necessary first step of being apprehended and charged. I also think that "getting away" could mean doing the killing with minimal / no physical harm inflicted on the attacker. IMHO, an arrest or physical harm to the attacker is more likely if the chosen victim has a CHL than if the chosen victim does not for the reasons I stated above.

Medic624 wrote:I'm not getting the "easier to get away with it", part... Are they inferring that it would be easier to mount a defense because if you're a CHL holder you have a higher propensity for violence and the desire to use your weapon? Or "Well your honor my client knew they were armed and shot first!" both to me if I were sitting the jury (where I would not divulge openly I was a CHL holder) that defense would be useless and it would be based soley off of the evidence provided.

I'm thinking it may be slightly more difficult to "get away with it" based on the necessary classes and requirements to obtain a CHL in Texas that could show that the holder was trained about deadly force and knew when and where it was appropriate.

And, I know this horse is beat to a pulp but WHY tell anyone you're a CHL holder in the first place? Especially to a "BAD" person who may see your weapon as another means to obtain money by using it for crimes OR selling it...

I don't know... Just my 0.02

I believe that it is premised on the idea that a self defense claim would be more likely to hold up in court if the other person had a deadly weapon in their possession when you killed them, and a CHL holder would be more likely to be in possession of a deadly weapon than a random person who does not have a CHL.

That is a rather curious first post you have made. I hope you will return and further elaborate as to the reason you would be talking to a very bad person, and why you would reveal something that, like your firearm, should be concealed.

To roll or not to roll sometimes is the real question.

Some asked about background info and why I told this "bad person". When I took this CHL class, a friend of me soon-to-be-Ex wife was in the same class, I do not know who she was. She told my ex.....my ex...told her boyfriend.....he says he'll use my gun to shoot himself in the shoulder after he kills me. I do not know this guy at all and wouldn't know him until I get the snot knocked out of me. I did file a police report.

DocSA wrote:Some asked about background info and why I told this "bad person". When I took this CHL class, a friend of me soon-to-be-Ex wife was in the same class, I do not know who she was. She told my ex.....my ex...told her boyfriend.....he says he'll use my gun to shoot himself in the shoulder after he kills me. I do not know this guy at all and wouldn't know him until I get the snot knocked out of me. I did file a police report.

A not so bright individual who's posturing for his woman...

Ballistics, burn patterns, blood spatter patterns... It would be nearly impossible to do what he's suggesting and get away with it if any reasonable police dept. were investigating it.
Not to mention the fact that he's already spilled the beans on his grand scheme...

DocSA wrote:Some asked about background info and why I told this "bad person". When I took this CHL class, a friend of me soon-to-be-Ex wife was in the same class, I do not know who she was. She told my ex.....my ex...told her boyfriend.....he says he'll use my gun to shoot himself in the shoulder after he kills me. I do not know this guy at all and wouldn't know him until I get the snot knocked out of me. I did file a police report.

ok, makes more sense that way. Make sure you include all that data in your police report. Not exactly sure what the law requires, maybe someone else could elaborate, but I believe if he threatened your life you can put a restraining order on him. The more you can stack up against him the better, in case he ever did try anything.

clarionite wrote:Ballistics, burn patterns, blood spatter patterns... It would be nearly impossible to do what he's suggesting and get away with it if any reasonable police dept. were investigating it.

Not to mention his prints on your gun, over your prints.

Not to mention the fact that he's already spilled the beans on his grand scheme...

Which would be one more piece of evidence to ensure first-degree murder charges.

clarionite wrote:

DocSA wrote:Some asked about background info and why I told this "bad person". When I took this CHL class, a friend of me soon-to-be-Ex wife was in the same class, I do not know who she was. She told my ex.....my ex...told her boyfriend.....he says he'll use my gun to shoot himself in the shoulder after he kills me. I do not know this guy at all and wouldn't know him until I get the snot knocked out of me. I did file a police report.

A not so bright individual who's posturing for his woman...

Ballistics, burn patterns, blood spatter patterns... It would be nearly impossible to do what he's suggesting and get away with it if any reasonable police dept. were investigating it.
Not to mention the fact that he's already spilled the beans on his grand scheme...

The jails are full of people like him, who have a stupid idea that sounds foolproof to them. Luckily, the cops are smarter than the crooks. In fact, the average Joe is smarter than the average crook in my experience.

Kythas wrote: The jails are full of people like him, who have a stupid idea that sounds foolproof to them. Luckily, the cops are smarter than the crooks. In fact, the average Joe is smarter than the average crook in my experience.

Not to mention that shooting yourself at 0 range with any sort of gun can be lethal!!!! Hit the wrong artery/aim too low and have double penetration and hit heart/lungs/ aim too high and hit your neck/head. He could end up in a morgue and how would that get him "his woman." Yep not really a bright bulb there!

That is scary. I had a similar thing happen when my 1st wife left me and started hanging out with a boy friend that talked tough. Long before I carried but I kept eyes in the back of my head and checked under the car for bombs for a long time. He had already served prision time for killing someone in a fight. Like I said. SCARY! Been there and done that. Cut your losses and stay away from these people. She is not worth it. Don't let him close enough to carry out any plans. There are stupid people out there but you do not need to play their game.

Anybody who would shoot himself in the shoulder, for ANY reason, is demonstrably crazy, and possibly retarded. Sounds like your ex deserves him.