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bronco78 wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:It's been explained in the past that the CHL is not a primary ID because YOU supply the picture. So they have no way to be sure the picture is actually you.

Is this stated someplace in law?

Or just an informed opinion?

I ask, because I can find no reference in Texas statutes or law by Internet searching that leads me to your opinion.

Knowledge is good, knowledge supported by facts and cites of legal opinion or law is better.

Edit,, yes I can see DPS lists the CHL as a secondary form,,, what have not read anyplace is the reason for classification as such (ie picture supplied by owner, or what ever)

I have no proof or statutes to quote. Just passing along explanations that have been posted in the past.

Since the quoted classifications only pertain to providing basis for issuance of Texas DL or ID, it may be nothing more than DPS policy.

If it works, use it. It was just never intended to serve as ID.

...I found this interesting as to what Tx. calls primary, secondary, and supporting IDs...

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/DriverLice ... ements.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

bronco78 wrote:Texas DPS is on record as calling the CHL an acceptable form of ID.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/internetfo ... /DL-17.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Texas requires ID to vote, a CHL is valid for this requirement
http://www.ncsl.org/?tabid=16602#tx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sounds like a CHL is valid ID.

...not even a secondary form...a SUPPORTING form...
...supporting ID is not by itself an ID...it strengthens your case to GET a primary or secondary ID, but does not stand alone...

...voting, they'll just about take a note from your Sunday School teacher...or your bondsman...just to get the vote...the link says it takes effect after the doj approves it...has that been completed yet???

...another story explaining DOJ approval before it takes effect... http://www.texasobserver.org/component/ ... d-into-law" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AEA wrote:I cannot get that first link to open. Get a message from Adobe that the .pdf file is damaged and cannot be repaired. If you have it saved somewhere, please post it as an attachment here.

...got it to open on the third try...

...when I came here, I got Tx DL and Tx ID...on the strength of a La. DL...nothing else required...so they, like most govt. agencies...strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!!!

Thanks speedsix.

I updated my Adobe Reader and it now opens fine.

sjfcontrol wrote:

bronco78 wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:It's been explained in the past that the CHL is not a primary ID because YOU supply the picture. So they have no way to be sure the picture is actually you.

Is this stated someplace in law?

Or just an informed opinion?

I ask, because I can find no reference in Texas statutes or law by Internet searching that leads me to your opinion.

Knowledge is good, knowledge supported by facts and cites of legal opinion or law is better.

Edit,, yes I can see DPS lists the CHL as a secondary form,,, what have not read anyplace is the reason for classification as such (ie picture supplied by owner, or what ever)

I have no proof or statutes to quote. Just passing along explanations that have been posted in the past.

Photos were signed by you AND verified/signed by the fingerprint person. That was awhile back, so I don't know if that is still the case.

Just another reason to eliminate the CHL card altogether.

speedsix wrote:

bronco78 wrote:Texas DPS is on record as calling the CHL an acceptable form of ID.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/internetfo ... /DL-17.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Texas requires ID to vote, a CHL is valid for this requirement
http://www.ncsl.org/?tabid=16602#tx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sounds like a CHL is valid ID.

...not even a secondary form...a SUPPORTING form...
...supporting ID is not by itself an ID...it strengthens your case to GET a primary or secondary ID, but does not stand alone...

...voting, they'll just about take a note from your Sunday School teacher...or your bondsman...just to get the vote...

And yet, the state still calls it a valid form of ID regardless of the verging perosnal opinions on what it can be used for.

Heck, TaBC says it,s up to the retailer to choose what kind of ID to accept, TX law does not define a specific type.

If they want to accept only diplomatic passports that's their choice.

Off topic warning:
In 1986' having just returned for my first overseas duty assignment as a young soldier. I was visiting my brother in CA. I said I would go to the store for dinner stuff, picked up steaks, veggys, ....stuff....and some beer.
I was asked for and presented ID... Handed my valid Denver DL, was told out of state DL was not a valid form of ID.. So I handed her my military ID card,, was told that was not a valid form of ID for anything outside of the military...I was a young, emotional soldier at the time, unwilling to let little stuff slide.... So I had a discussion, polite, quite, personal...... Then a manager came over, and said discussion continued, less politely..... Then some coustomers came over.. I was prepared for the worst...to my surprise not so, they were arguing on my side... I hear an ..excuse me... Turning to look I see a CA CHP uniform,,, thinking, ok, he we go,,,,Gona be late for dinner now

Officer tells me, while the MIL ID and out of state DL are valid ID, the store policy can dictate what they choose to accept how about you put your wallet away.... And let me take care of the bill. The clerk and manager were not happy, the officer said perhaps they should call a cop...

Turns out, officer Langford, had a son in the military about my age, and he him self had served in a place most people choose to forget.

Thank you all for the discussion,,, I very much enjoy learning something new each day.

...AEA, I would agree with you if you hadn't sold Wild Bill that Colt...

He's still carrying the blue one that I sold to SigScubaGuy who sold it to him!

...we were considering whether or not the CHL was a stand-alone, primary ID...that's what it's not, according to your link...the rubber meets the road when you hand it over...I've used mine in a bank that demanded ANOTHER form of ID and had refused my State ID to go with my DL...and they took it because it looked different...though it was issued by the DPS, just like the others...the folks demanding ID aren't always that well-informed either...

...loved your story of the way things oughta be!!! any man who wears the uniform of our armed forces gets a beer in my book...and maybe from my wallet....thanks for all your service to us all...hope you're home soon...

AEA wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:

bronco78 wrote:

sjfcontrol wrote:It's been explained in the past that the CHL is not a primary ID because YOU supply the picture. So they have no way to be sure the picture is actually you.

Is this stated someplace in law?

Or just an informed opinion?

I ask, because I can find no reference in Texas statutes or law by Internet searching that leads me to your opinion.

Knowledge is good, knowledge supported by facts and cites of legal opinion or law is better.

Edit,, yes I can see DPS lists the CHL as a secondary form,,, what have not read anyplace is the reason for classification as such (ie picture supplied by owner, or what ever)

I have no proof or statutes to quote. Just passing along explanations that have been posted in the past.

Photos were signed by you AND verified/signed by the fingerprint person. That was awhile back, so I don't know if that is still the case.

Just another reason to eliminate the CHL card altogether.

Fingerprint person is not a government employee, and could be "in-cahoots" with somebody trying to get an ID under a phony name. You can sign anything you want to the rear of the picture. Or, for that matter, to the rear of ANY picture. Again, just say'n...

Does Texas actually define what is considered a "primary" ID in law? It seems like each agency defines what they will accept through policy, but I've never seen a legal statute that defines what is considered an ID.. except that the voter ID bill now specifically mentions CHL, but that applies just for voting.

Brian

BrianSW99 wrote:Does Texas actually define what is considered a "primary" ID in law? It seems like each agency defines what they will accept through policy, but I've never seen a legal statute that defines what is considered an ID.. except that the voter ID bill now specifically mentions CHL, but that applies just for voting.

Brian

Pretty sure this is the deal... It's not strictly defined by statute at a state level. If someone has a cite or link, please share.

Thanks
Erik

Does everyone really think no one compares the picture sent in for CHL application with the one on file on the driver license? How hard is that to do? My vote is "not very." Does anyone not think there are checks and balances built into the system? I truly do not believe they would send a CHL to someone of whom they were not 100% sure of the identity.

Not an ID? Fine. That is a decision of someone at the State level or any other agency, business, or individual accessing what the CHL card represents. Just do not expect me to believe that the Texas DPS people license me to conceal and carry a firearm without firmly believing they know who I am and that I meet all the other requirements.