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schufflerbot wrote:

Hoi Polloi wrote:Website for your mom: http://www.corneredcat.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

wow, spent the last 20 minutes browsing that site... great info in there, just in the format my mum will love, too.





you seem to know my mom pretty well, hoi - is there something you need to tell me?

Ohhhh....nothing you need to worry about.

Tell her Hoi said hi, will ya?

There is a great website about women and guns (which I can't remember). It says to cure the "forbidden fruit" curiosity, let your children see the guns you have, under your supervision. Make a big deal of unloading the weapon, if loaded, or checking the weapon if unloaded (ever weapon is loaded until you know it is unloaded). Let them handle the weapon, under your strict supervision. Teach them the basics of gun safety (always keeping it pointed in a safe direction. Never point at something you don't want to kill/hurt).

I have used this method and it works. No more "forbidden fruit". "Can I see your gun?" "Of course, which one?"

BrianSW99 wrote:Couple of comments here,

First, why take the gun off your person at all when you're home? I agree with what everything said above about not keeping it out in the open around children of any age, and the safest place for it if it's not in a safe is on your person. I personally don't think I would leave a gun out on the counter even if I didn't have kids. I just feel more comfortable with it on me.

Second, since no one else has pointed this out yet, the MPA only covers you carrying the gun to or from your own home, or an activity involving a gun like going to the range. It was illegal for you to carry the gun into your parents apartment. I know you're getting your CHL, but that's something to keep in mind while you're still carrying under MPA.

Brian

honestly, im still getting used to the blob of weight on my hip. im not a nudist by any means, but i don't like to wear a lot of clothing/weight/whatnot. when im at home alone, it's t-shirt and shorts at best. disposing of extra weight and bulk is something i always do when im in a comfortable environment... i'll just have to keep training myself on the 'carry always' mentality.

thanks for the MPA clarification, while ive researched a bit on the law, i'll admit - i haven't delved too deeply into it and have been fairly hazy on a few points.

wont make that mistake again, thanks.

TLE2 wrote:There is a great website about women and guns (which I can't remember). It says to cure the "forbidden fruit" curiosity, let your children see the guns you have, under your supervision. Make a big deal of unloading the weapon, if loaded, or checking the weapon if unloaded (ever weapon is loaded until you know it is unloaded). Let them handle the weapon, under your strict supervision. Teach them the basics of gun safety (always keeping it pointed in a safe direction. Never point at something you don't want to kill/hurt).

I have used this method and it works. No more "forbidden fruit". "Can I see your gun?" "Of course, which one?"

as soon as she's old enough to comprehend what a firearm is, i'll be all over that. i can't wait until i can take my little girl to the range and show her the ropes.


on that topic, what would be the earliest you guys would suggest introducing a daughter to a firearm for the, 'forbidden fruit' approach?

Hoi Polloi wrote:

schufflerbot wrote:

Hoi Polloi wrote:Website for your mom: http://www.corneredcat.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

wow, spent the last 20 minutes browsing that site... great info in there, just in the format my mum will love, too.





you seem to know my mom pretty well, hoi - is there something you need to tell me?

Ohhhh....nothing you need to worry about.

Tell her Hoi said hi, will ya?

LOL

i knew it. i thought her apartment smelled of Hoppe's 9 last time i stopped by.

Ha ha ha.

The website TLE2 is referring to is the same one. You can see the particular article he's referencing here: http://www.corneredcat.com/Kids/disarming.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

She says as soon as they can talk (toddlerhood), introduce her rules 1-3. As soon as they can understand and repeat rules 1-3 (preschool years), introduce her rules 4-5.

hey even moms can be wrong sometime - dear lord I hope the mrs is not reading this lol

congrats on the grown up conversation. glad you have that type of relationship where the two of you can sit and conversate on both parties points of view. that is missing in a lot of family relationships.

let us know if she does get her chl or at least what sort of firearm she decided on.

Can you talk to my Mom? I was talking to her the other day, trying (and failing) to do a decent imitation of your conversation. Mom just couldn't bring herself to conceive of "hurting" an attacker ("I believe that most people don't hurt others without a good reason"). I came away from the conversation frustrated and convinced of two things:

1) My mother is extremely lucky she has never encountered a violent criminal (and at 80, with any luck she never will)
2) There's a name for people like her: Victim

Unfortunately, I see no way to change her opinion. Apparently she values the thug's life over her own. Very sad.
I will continue to carry every time I visit, and just not tell her.

Hoi Polloi wrote:If you don't already, please have a lock between your gun and a child of any age and teach your mom to do the same any time it isn't physically on your body.

As a mother of a toddler, I agree. There are some great safes on the market now that have a quick-punch combination; you can access your gun in about a second if you really need it, but your little primate would need to be a code-breaker to access it. Most of these safes will mount to walls, shelves or furniture.

schufflerbot wrote:

TLE2 wrote:There is a great website about women and guns (which I can't remember). It says to cure the "forbidden fruit" curiosity, let your children see the guns you have, under your supervision. Make a big deal of unloading the weapon, if loaded, or checking the weapon if unloaded (ever weapon is loaded until you know it is unloaded). Let them handle the weapon, under your strict supervision. Teach them the basics of gun safety (always keeping it pointed in a safe direction. Never point at something you don't want to kill/hurt).

I have used this method and it works. No more "forbidden fruit". "Can I see your gun?" "Of course, which one?"

as soon as she's old enough to comprehend what a firearm is, i'll be all over that. i can't wait until i can take my little girl to the range and show her the ropes.


on that topic, what would be the earliest you guys would suggest introducing a daughter to a firearm for the, 'forbidden fruit' approach?

I think I was three or four when Dad got me started.

schufflerbot wrote:yeah, great points and great reminders, folks. i'll start securing the guns when theyre not on me... thanks for the heads up - i knew the 'im going everywhere' stage was coming soon, just didnt realize (read: in denial of) how quickly it would be here.

I didn't want to pile on but leaving a firearm laying in the open around anyone, children or adults, is just asking for a possible tragedy. Your mom could have easily picked up the gun and held it up as she asked what is this. Being unfamiliar with guns, she could have just as easily pulled the trigger.

Being around firearms at one point in her life is NOT the same as being around guns "ALL HER LIFE". I have read this comment on this forum before and always wonder how folks can think the two are the same.

I learned this the hard way. Both my children(adults now) have been around and used guns all their lives with no gaps in ownership or usage. Not even for a month. Being comfortable about this and the fact that I live alone, I had gotten bad about taking my handgun out and setting it on the bar.

My daughter showed up one day with her boyfriend(husband now and better educated about guns at this time). He saw my LCP laying on the counter and says in an almost childlike enthusiastic voice, "look at the cute little gun". He makes a bee line for it and is about two inches from picking it up when my daughter hollers in a most impressive authoritarian voice, "DON'T TOUCH IT". He froze and I went and retrieved the gun and unloaded it right in front of him.

I took the opportunity to educate him on how ALL guns are loaded and not to be randomly grabbed up like "cute" toys. She took the opportunity to scold me for leaving weapons laying out like that and I agreed.

This will never happen in my home again. My daily carry is ALWAYS placed out of sight and high. Once I start having grand kids around my house, they will always remain locked or at the least in a gun box with quick unlocking combo.

yes, after the appropriate (and friendly) comments made by you guys in this thread, i've already started looking at the microvault safes for our handguns. nor do i leave it laying on the bar anymore, if it's not on my person it's put away.

i'm by no means careless with it, but you guys are right - anything that isn't 'locked up' is a potential hazard.

...and the mom has chosen the Ruger LC9 as the next gun she wants to go shoot... she's out of town now but excited to go fire one and GET HER CHL when she gets back!!

woohoo!!

LikesShinyThings wrote:Can you talk to my Mom? I was talking to her the other day, trying (and failing) to do a decent imitation of your conversation. Mom just couldn't bring herself to conceive of "hurting" an attacker ("I believe that most people don't hurt others without a good reason"). I came away from the conversation frustrated and convinced of two things:

1) My mother is extremely lucky she has never encountered a violent criminal (and at 80, with any luck she never will)
2) There's a name for people like her: Victim

Unfortunately, I see no way to change her opinion. Apparently she values the thug's life over her own. Very sad.
I will continue to carry every time I visit, and just not tell her.

lol

some people are not going to be swayed from their opinions. the decision to carry a loaded gun is a conscious decision to put an end to someone's life if necessary... some people just aren't comfortable with that.

doesn't sound like your mom is going to be convinced and hopefully she'll never have to worry about it. plenty of people go their entire lives without any kind of violent encounter.

schufflerbot wrote:
...and the mom has chosen the Ruger LC9 as the next gun she wants to go shoot... she's out of town now but excited to go fire one and GET HER CHL when she gets back!!

woohoo!!

WooHoo!!! Another shooter in the ranks! Nice job... and now you have a whole new list of cool things you can get her on mothers day!

03Lightningrocks wrote:

schufflerbot wrote:
...and the mom has chosen the Ruger LC9 as the next gun she wants to go shoot... she's out of town now but excited to go fire one and GET HER CHL when she gets back!!

woohoo!!

WooHoo!!! Another shooter in the ranks! Nice job... and now you have a whole new list of expensive things you can get her on mothers day!

fixed! lol