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Jeff Barriault wrote:

srothstein wrote:I find it interesting that you asked this because I am supposed to be writing a paper on a very similar topic right now. The paper is due Tuesday evening and is on the question of whether or not allowing citizens to possess or carry firearms will affect the crime rate. So far, I have found studies saying the crime rate goes up, goes down, and is not affected.

One of the best researchers on this topic is John Lott. You should check out his book More Guns, Less Crime.

I think he will prove your thesis wrong.

johnson0317 wrote:

jmra wrote:I think the first question you would have to ask is if they were aware that they could legally carry under MPA. Then ask if they would be likely to legally carry a firearm in their car in the future. This would give you two sets of data - peoples knowledge of current law and if they would or would not carry.

Being advised as to the MPA, by a LEO, is what started me down the path. I now try to make sure people know about the fact that they can carry in their car.

RJ

The MPA is something I have included in the classroom portion of the CHL classes I teach. It amazes me that few people have knowledge of MPA other than the old traveling laws. Talking with the public (co-workers, friends, neighbors) I find they have 0 knowledge of MPA or the old traveling laws. Thus I get questions when I take neighbors to the range such as: Do I have to disassemble my pistol so we can transport it to the range? and Is it ok to put my cased pistol in your truck along with the box of ammo, shouldn't they be separate?

Rather than putting questions about MPA on the CHL written proficiency the questions should be included on the TX DL rules of the road exam.

tbrown wrote:

karl wrote:I believe the "you" was rhetorical. The only way I can think of to accurately predict something like this would be full scale registration and no private sales. Even then the chances of a state that requires registration allowing individuals to carry firearms in their vehicles is slim.

The grammar police would say it's "How could one do a reliable study?"

However, I pay no attention to the grammar police until they lock up the people who axe me questions.

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johnson0317 wrote:

Jeff Barriault wrote:

srothstein wrote:I find it interesting that you asked this because I am supposed to be writing a paper on a very similar topic right now. The paper is due Tuesday evening and is on the question of whether or not allowing citizens to possess or carry firearms will affect the crime rate. So far, I have found studies saying the crime rate goes up, goes down, and is not affected.

One of the best researchers on this topic is John Lott. You should check out his book More Guns, Less Crime.

I think he will prove your thesis wrong.

I have his study, and Gary Kleck's, as well as some by Duncan, Duggan, Donahue, and Cook. There really is quite a bit of scholarly work int his area and the evidence goes every possible way. And I could not believe how divisive the filed is academically when I started researching this. I know that the public is really divided over gun control, but I had thought the academic researchers would be a little less biased in their research. I was way wrong on that. The field is even worse in the journals than it is in the mass media if you understand how the academics attack each other.

And when I read the CDC summary of 51 studies, I found why they say the evidence is inconclusive. Many of the articles do even agree on definitions of terms or what is a good result, let alone agree on what the results of a study are.

So, I did come up with a plan to get good data. But it requires me to get the degree first because it would take at least ten years. And that depends on financing of several million dollars per year. The first step is to survey various organizations on both sides of the issue to get some idea of working definitions they can all agree on. That may be impossible right there since I am not sure that Josh Sugarmann and Wayne LaPierre would agree that the sky is blue.

Most people do not know that it is legal to keep a concealed gun in the car under MPA. Many avid shooters including myself did not know that until I took the CHL course.
Any study can be slanted any way to suit the needs of the group conducting the study.

KaiserB wrote: Rather than putting questions about MPA on the CHL written proficiency the questions should be included on the TX DL rules of the road exam.

That is a GENIUS Idea!

tbrown wrote:The grammar police would say it's "How could one do a reliable study?"

However, I pay no attention to the grammar police until they lock up the people who axe me questions.

The grammar police must first enforce the oxford comma.

Kythas wrote:

tbrown wrote:The grammar police would say it's "How could one do a reliable study?"

However, I pay no attention to the grammar police until they lock up the people who axe me questions.

The grammar police must first enforce the oxford comma.

I am a great supporter of the use of the Oxford comma. Of course now that I get most of my news from the internet, I am surprised when I find any grammar rules in use.

tbrown wrote:How could you do a reliable study? If you did a telephone survey, some people would deny carrying, for various reasons. If you used traffic stops as a sample, you run into significant selection bias.

You could randomly break into vehicles in shopping mall parking lots looking for guns. That would be a relatively unbiased sample and I think it would give you a more accurate view of guns in cars than either of those suggestions.

Kythas wrote:

tbrown wrote:The grammar police would say it's "How could one do a reliable study?"

However, I pay no attention to the grammar police until they lock up the people who axe me questions.

The grammar police must first enforce the oxford comma.

It's been a long time since I've seen that term and as an English major I couldn't let it go and had to look it up.

Nope, I don't use it either and consider it better sentence structure to leave it out.

jmra wrote:

Kythas wrote:

tbrown wrote:The grammar police would say it's "How could one do a reliable study?"

However, I pay no attention to the grammar police until they lock up the people who axe me questions.

The grammar police must first enforce the oxford comma.

I am a great supporter of the use of the Oxford comma. Of course now that I get most of my news from the internet, I am surprised when I find any grammar rules in use.

I didn't know what it was called, but I use it that way.