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Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:55 pm
by baldeagle
loadedliberal wrote:Politifact would say different
ow.ly/5FNOs
Not to mention the fact rassmussen has a history of biased polls
Rasmussen was the most accurate pollster in the 2008 elections. Poll bias is usually in the eye of the beholder.
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:06 am
by surprise_i'm_armed
Obama's simply learned from the masters on the other side of the aisle, i.e.:
Cut taxes for the rich and the rich will create jobs for you.
We don't need to raise taxes to fund the Iraq War. Iraqi oil will pay for this.
Deficits aren't important.
SIA
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:08 am
by psijac
The entire concept of society would not exist without the ability to withhold the truth.
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:29 am
by Dave2
quidni wrote:Doesn't mean I've never lied, or that I won't again... incredible how something so destructive can be part of the instinct for self-preservation! It does mean that I try very hard to be truthful, even when it hurts. I've found it leads to greater trust in every relationship, and it also helps with my occasional memory lapses - if I always strive to tell the truth, I don't have to remember which version of the story I've told to which person.
Being truthful when it "hurts" hasn't even really hurt much for me. Maybe a month after my boss got his gig, there was a timecard glitch and he asked us when we'd gotten in to work that day. One of my coworkers said we'd all gotten there at 1:00 pm, like we were supposed to be. Then I said, "Except me... I just got here", (which made me about 45 minutes late) and my boss replied, "Ah, honesty. I like that, I'll give you the time anyway." It doesn't always work out that well, but I have yet to regret telling the truth.
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 3:30 am
by Dave2
psijac wrote:The entire concept of society would not exist without the ability to withhold the truth.
I've been thinking about this while I was writing my previous post. I don't get it. Care to elaborate?
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:29 am
by sjfcontrol
Dave2 wrote:psijac wrote:The entire concept of society would not exist without the ability to withhold the truth.
I've been thinking about this while I was writing my previous post. I don't get it. Care to elaborate?
Watch the movie "The Invention of Lying" for a demostration of the advantages of lying in society. I thought it was absolutely hilarious. My wife hated it (so it must have been really good! -- or should I have lied right there?)
Beware of adult themes --
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Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:08 pm
by McKnife
Blindref757 wrote:Yesterday Obama boldly proclaims to the White House Press Corps that 80% of Americans support a "Balanced Approach" including tax hikes for solving America's debt crisis. It sounded like a lie to me at the time, so I looked it up!
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... iling_deal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As the Beltway politicians try to figure out how they will raise the debt ceiling and for how long, most voters oppose including tax hikes in the deal.
Just 34% think a tax hike should be included in any legislation to raise the debt ceiling. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 55% disagree and say it should not.
Funny thing! They only play CNN on tv here at work and they had PolitiFact TRUTH-O-METER (something like that) fact check that statement... and whuddya know... it's "mostly true" that 80% of Americans want tax hikes.
All I could do was laugh! The lies are everywhere and they will never end!
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:56 pm
by The Annoyed Man
quidni wrote:How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Same way one gets to Carnegie Hall. Practice, practice, practice.
For the win.
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:05 pm
by RPB
How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
John 8:44 Any version
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Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:44 pm
by Medic624
Without the state media Ie.. ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC and CNN don't call him on it there is really no way to publicly dispute of correct what he says. Most people are too busy living their lives to actually think for themselves and say, "Hey, wait a sec, that doesn't sound right I'm gonna look that up" as long as the general populace isn't completely inconvenienced in some way they generally don't care ...
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:55 pm
by sjfcontrol
Medic624 wrote:Without the state media Ie.. ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC and CNN don't call him on it there is really no way to publicly dispute of correct what he says. Most people are too busy living their lives to actually think for themselves and say, "Hey, wait a sec, that doesn't sound right I'm gonna look that up" as long as the general populace isn't completely inconvenienced in some way they generally don't care ...
There used to be these things call "investigative reporters". But they went extinct some time ago.
Freedom of the press is part of the first amendment because the founding fathers believed that a free press would naturally challenge false or misleading statements from the government.
Who would have ever believed that the press would devolve into press-release reading, spin regurgitating, thoughtless idiots -- echoing the falsehoods of those that portend to "lead" us.
That is, of course, when they aren't generating the spin themselves.
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:44 pm
by Carry-a-Kimber
Because he is a politician?
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:38 pm
by baldeagle
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Obama's simply learned from the masters on the other side of the aisle, i.e.:
Cut taxes for the rich and the rich will create jobs for you.
This is not a lie. It's an opinion. Whether it's true or not depends upon which economist you ask and how he or she presents the numbers. This is perhaps the best presentation of the difficulty of determining either position. http://www.economist.com/blogs/democrac ... jobs_bills" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:We don't need to raise taxes to fund the Iraq War. Iraqi oil will pay for this.
This is a misrepresentation of what was said. Paul Wolfowitz testified that Iraqi oil could fund Iraq's reconstruction, not pay for the Iraq war. He never said anything about not raising taxes to pay for the war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Deficits aren't important.
This was one of the dumbest statements the Bush administration ever made. It was a wrong then, and it's wrong now. But it's not a lie. It's an opinion. An incredibly stupid one, but one that it seems a large number of politicians on both sides of the aisle believe. Sooner or later, bills must be paid. That's a reality that even a government that size of the US cannot avoid forever.
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:SIA
The fact is that economic outcomes are so fraught with contingencies that it's impossible for any human being to predict the outcome of one single policy change. And the government has so distorted the market that it's impossible to even estimate what the effect of a tax increase or decrease would have on the economy or government revenues. The only thing we know for sure is that when Reagan lowered the tax rates, revenues to the government increased. Whether that was pure coincidence or a direct result of the policy change is a matter of energetic debate in economic circles.
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 9:23 pm
by Oldgringo
...both sides of the aisle...
Their first priority is re-election and if lying is required, there are many much re-elected masters from whom to learn.
Term Limits and the same 'bennies' you and I get for all of 'em...!
Re: How Does Obama Lie So Boldly?
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:56 am
by OldCurlyWolf
surprise_i'm_armed wrote:Obama's simply learned from the masters on the other side of the aisle, i.e.:
Cut taxes for the rich and the rich will create jobs for you.
We don't need to raise taxes to fund the Iraq War. Iraqi oil will pay for this.
Deficits aren't important.
SIA
Actually he learned at a very early age to lie. That is what got him so far without earning it. Then there is the Chicago Democrat Machine that taught him their crooked lying methods. He was already quite accomplished as a liar before any of the links you posted happened.
